No Punks (or metal) Under God

[Vince]

I'm just trying to point out the paradox of espousing both "punk" and Western "Christian" values.

[kfoll]

i've known jay baker for years and years and i promise you all that he is as punk rock as it gets. he isn't "fake" or "faddish" as the blogwriter would say. matter of fact jay has much more to be pissed about and rebel against than most people can imagine. just b/c he has felt the true nature of God and Christ and can't shake it as hard as he has tried over the years doesn't make him any less punk........and to say so is assinine.

jay has a stance on life, religion, music and the mixing of all three very close to my own. he doesn't believe their should be a subculture and he backs this up in his everyday life. he doesn't beat anyone over the head with a bible and he never threatens anyone with hell. he is a down to earth guy that just so happens to have faith and love for not only Christ but the people around him.

jay has a story tell and platform to tell it so he does so without regard to what people say on message boards, myspace or in social circles. he has a stance and he is committed to it on all levels. how is that not punk rock?

I thought punk was about being anti-establishment. Western Christendom is THE establishment of all eternity.

For that matter, so is most all rock n roll. I'm old enough to remember hippies. And I am not talking the 90's version of the psuedo, hippy-wanna-bes, I'm talking the real flower children, complete with ponchos, granny skirts, love beads, love-ins and all. They were like this completely different breed of person from the normal, everyday person, but you saw them everywhere, and their whole appearance was a statement against normalcy of any kind, religious or otherwise. That subculture was the breeding ground for rock n roll as we know it today.
I was just a kid but I remember how my folks used to stare at them and make snide comments about them, and how cool I thought it would be to BE a hippy. heh.

[Strange]

I'm just trying to point out the paradox of espousing both "punk" and Western "Christian" values.

Oh, I know...just taking the piss.

"I would like to buy this anti-establishment T-shirt"
"Oh okay, will that be cash or credit?"
*doesn't have the wherewithall to realize the irony...* "Credit."

[braindrag]

Subvert the Dominant Paradigm. Now the Dominant Paradigm is Subversion.

No seriously, I'm going to start a band and sing about the Tooth Fairy. It will be evil though so it will be about killing the Tooth Fairy. For years the Tooth Fairy has oppressed us, stealing our teeth and leaving unfair compensation. We will rise up and SMASH the Tooth Fairy!

All Hail the Tooth Fairy Devil!

[Death2all]

how about jew metal?

[braindrag]

how about jew metal?

If you are referring to what I think you are, it is not. But what about Jews For Jesus Metal?

[Strange]

But the tooth fairy doesn't steal teeth. We the children offer them to her in sacrifice so she doesn't steal our souls. The money isn't compensation...it is her excrement. Whoever captures the tooth fairy can hold her captive untill she shits you into a higher tax bracket!

...Which reminds me...someone get me a pair of pliers and a butterfly net. That bitch is MINE!!!

[Death2all]

how about jew metal?

If you are referring to what I think you are, it is not. But what about Jews For Jesus Metal?

I was just making fun of the guy that wrote the blog.

Honestly I find it kind of trivial to say the least, and some what laughable.

This subject reminds me of the south park episode where cartman made the Christian boy band.

[Strange]

South Park!

I was thinking the same thing.

When Cartman screamed out "Fuck Jesus!" at the Christian Grammys I just about pissed myself.

[ProstheticHead12]

or the South Park where Cartman and company steal teeth and put them under rich kids' pillows.

what folks seem to be missing in this argument is, since when has punk had any integrity? sure there are still underground bands, but punk is a lot of garbage now, so why not keep it up and sing about jesus.

in the end i'm with those of y'all that don't give a shit what bands scream about as long as they keep it confined to the lyrics sheet and still put out quality music.

[Mike]

The funny thing about the majority of "Satanic" metal bands is their lyrics are really Christian. The blood and guts evil form of Satanism is just a reinterpretation or repeating of Middle Age Satan hysteria.
True Satanism has nothing to do with sacrificing babies on altars.

most bands couldent give two shits about lavey and his modern boring gay form of satanism though.

1. The modern boring version is the only one to have ever existed. The other version is myth.
2. There are plenty of bands or individual musicians that are into Lavey. Ihsahn from Emperor comes to mind.

There's nothing wrong with writing about rape, pillaging, and intestinal evisceration. In fact, I think it's awesome. But to claim a religion is/was based on that is idiotic.

Also, isn't Prostitute Disfigurement close to the best band name ever?

[Vince]

how about jew metal?

If you are referring to what I think you are, it is not. But what about Jews For Jesus Metal?

I was just making fun of the guy that wrote the blog.

Honestly I find it kind of trivial to say the least, and some what laughable.

This subject reminds me of the south park episode where cartman made the Christian boy band.

What's not trivial is a bunch of weak-ass sheep co-opting music that used to be about resistance.

[braindrag]

how about jew metal?

If you are referring to what I think you are, it is not. But what about Jews For Jesus Metal?

I was just making fun of the guy that wrote the blog.

Honestly I find it kind of trivial to say the least, and some what laughable.

This subject reminds me of the south park episode where cartman made the Christian boy band.

What's not trivial is a bunch of weak-ass sheep co-opting music that used to be about resistance.

It's all a ploy by the unpatriotic radical environmentalists. They are making our defenses weak and making us vulnerable to Islamic Extremist Black Metal Bands and all our jobs are going to Mexican Illegal Immigrant Death Metal bands.

[Brian]

The funny thing about the majority of "Satanic" metal bands is their lyrics are really Christian. The blood and guts evil form of Satanism is just a reinterpretation or repeating of Middle Age Satan hysteria.
True Satanism has nothing to do with sacrificing babies on altars.

most bands couldent give two shits about lavey and his modern boring gay form of satanism though.

1. The modern boring version is the only one to have ever existed. The other version is myth.
2. There are plenty of bands or individual musicians that are into Lavey. Ihsahn from Emperor comes to mind.

There's nothing wrong with writing about rape, pillaging, and intestinal evisceration. In fact, I think it's awesome. But to claim a religion is/was based on that is idiotic.

Also, isn't Prostitute Disfigurement close to the best band name ever?

The other version is not a myth, it just isn't called Satanism. If I remember correctly, it's called Luciferianism, but I'm not an expert on the subject so I very well could be wrong. Black masses and the like DO exist, they just aren't prevalent within most branches of Satanism.

[BlazeTSU]

i've known jay baker for years and years and i promise you all that he is as punk rock as it gets. he isn't "fake" or "faddish" as the blogwriter would say. matter of fact jay has much more to be pissed about and rebel against than most people can imagine. just b/c he has felt the true nature of God and Christ and can't shake it as hard as he has tried over the years doesn't make him any less punk........and to say so is assinine.

jay has a stance on life, religion, music and the mixing of all three very close to my own. he doesn't believe their should be a subculture and he backs this up in his everyday life. he doesn't beat anyone over the head with a bible and he never threatens anyone with hell. he is a down to earth guy that just so happens to have faith and love for not only Christ but the people around him.

jay has a story tell and platform to tell it so he does so without regard to what people say on message boards, myspace or in social circles. he has a stance and he is committed to it on all levels. how is that not punk rock?

I thought punk was about being anti-establishment. Western Christendom is THE establishment of all eternity.

so you are making the rules now?

and i'd say that jay baker was pretty damn anti-establishment..........just b/c its not the establisment that you choose to be against doesn't take any validity out of it.