remember to vote republican tomorrow

[Holiday Rambler]

"Waaaah my brother/son/aunt/uncle made a choice and lived and died with it, therefore i have the right to pontificate like a sage, even though my mind is so clouded with illogical emotion, but NORLY!!! plz listen to me"
thats what i see when these families of members killed while serving, when they come out and give their two cents.

In other words, you have a problem with people using their first amendment rights.

Interesting, coming from an American.

[Ecrypt]

It is Pat’s birthday on November 6, and elections are the day after. It gets me thinking about a conversation I had with Pat before we joined the military. He spoke about the risks with signing the papers. How once we committed, we were at the mercy of the American leadership and the American people. How we could be thrown in a direction not of our volition. How fighting as a soldier would leave us without a voice… until we got out.

so this person was forced to volunteer?

Somehow our elected leaders were subverting international law and humanity by setting up secret prisons around the world, secretly kidnapping people, secretly holding them indefinitely, secretly not charging them with anything, secretly torturing them. Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few “bad applesâ€Â￾ in the military.

Where have you been for the last 200 years?

Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It’s interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.

Would you rather that kindergarteners and people with stickers on thier cars not care at all? Why dont you talk to some Vietnam vets that were treated that way.
And besides, what the fuck are YOU doing about the state of things other that cluttering the board with this nice piece of poetic propaganda?

Somehow American leadership, whose only credit is lying to its people and illegally invading a nation, has been allowed to steal the courage, virtue and honor of its soldiers on the ground.

again, what rock have you been hiding under?

Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated.

so I guess feigning concern for show is a virtue
Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated.

Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated.

go dig around in sand in Iraq and see how many mass graves you find. now, at least theres one less despot to commit genocide on tousands of people. You all want to cry out for Darfur just because its in the media, where's your sympathy for the Kurdish people?

Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is tolerated.
Somehow suspension of Habeas Corpus is supposed to keep this country safe.
Somehow torture is tolerated.
Somehow lying is tolerated.
Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense.
Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world.
Somehow a narrative is more important than reality.
Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.
Somehow the most reasonable, trusted and respected country in the world has become one of the most irrational, belligerent, feared, and distrusted countries in the world.

dont act like ALL of this is the cause of any recent president. you are REALLY ignorant if you think that there are ANY noble politicians that value any of those things over thier business interests.

Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.

if you believe any of this garbage you are just as ignorant as the people you're trying to insult.

Somehow nobody is accountable for this.
In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people. So don’t be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that “somehowâ€Â￾ was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites.

well there's your apathy. if you really care and want change then take on some REAL progressive ideas and force change. if not, then you are the only one to blame.

Luckily this country is still a democracy. People still have a voice. People still can take action. It can start after Pat’s birthday.

how poetic, but ultimately inane. also, this is a republic, not a democracy
btw, this is directed at the person that wrote this garbage originally, not to the reposter.
The only way to really have your voice heard is to empower independent parties. There really is no difference between republicans and democrats. The have everybody believing there is a huge polarity between the 2, but have you really seen any of them act on any of their big issues when they get in power? dont believe the spin! Vote for yourself, GO LIBERTARIAN!

[Mike]

"Waaaah my brother/son/aunt/uncle made a choice and lived and died with it, therefore i have the right to pontificate like a sage, even though my mind is so clouded with illogical emotion, but NORLY!!! plz listen to me"
thats what i see when these families of members killed while serving, when they come out and give their two cents.

Considering Kevin Tillman is still a Ranger and doing something, I think it's more than just him whining.

[Strange]

Well said.

"A 2 party system is only 1 better than a 1 party system."
Lemmy Kilmister

[Vince]

Bigoted? Not sure what was said to cause you to say Matt is "bigoted" Vince. But it's quite typical, you could have just inserted one of the many buzzwords that are used improperly most of the time like, "facist pig!" "white male!" "neo-con" or any of the other myraid terms. If you're going to allow yourself to rave at least put some effort into it. Put down the vat of ex-communist kool aid. As far as how I'll vote I will probably write in Vladimir Putin and myself again for everything, when I'm not voting Libertarian. Stalin woulda loved ya Vince.

According to Dictionary.com, the definition of "bigoted" is "utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own." I felt that Matt's response to my simple question fit this category.

[Strange]

"Waaaah my brother/son/aunt/uncle made a choice and lived and died with it, therefore i have the right to pontificate like a sage, even though my mind is so clouded with illogical emotion, but NORLY!!! plz listen to me"
thats what i see when these families of members killed while serving, when they come out and give their two cents.

Considering Kevin Tillman is still a Ranger and doing something, I think it's more than just him whining.

He's certainly entitled to his opinion (Tillman), but you've gotta admit, it is hard to believe that someone could enlist in the military without first having some idea of how our government operates. I think to serve one's country is very noble, but history has shown the horrors and misuse of warfare since the dawn of time. It's almost always political and rarely ever the publicly stated purpose. I still don't know what the fuck this has to do with the Gubernatorial election though.

[necroodin]

I don't think I said anything close to saying they shouldn't speak, or had no right to speak, but the point was what they speak, is clouded with emotion. Maybe it would help if you read a post twice, to let larger meaning sink in, instead of paranoid knee-jerk responses.

[Vince]

I don't think I said anything close to saying they shouldn't speak, or had no right to speak, but the point was what they speak, is clouded with emotion. Maybe it would help if you read a post twice, to let larger meaning sink in, instead of paranoid knee-jerk responses.

Yeah, such as calling me a communist because I use my vocabulary correctly.

[Holiday Rambler]

Or effectively saying "I am leading this country to war because Saddam Hussein tried to kill my dad."

[Holiday Rambler]

It is Pat’s birthday on November 6, and elections are the day after. It gets me thinking about a conversation I had with Pat before we joined the military. He spoke about the risks with signing the papers. How once we committed, we were at the mercy of the American leadership and the American people. How we could be thrown in a direction not of our volition. How fighting as a soldier would leave us without a voice… until we got out.

so this person was forced to volunteer?

Somehow our elected leaders were subverting international law and humanity by setting up secret prisons around the world, secretly kidnapping people, secretly holding them indefinitely, secretly not charging them with anything, secretly torturing them. Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few “bad applesâ€Â￾ in the military.

Where have you been for the last 200 years?

Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It’s interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.

Would you rather that kindergarteners and people with stickers on thier cars not care at all? Why dont you talk to some Vietnam vets that were treated that way.
And besides, what the fuck are YOU doing about the state of things other that cluttering the board with this nice piece of poetic propaganda?

Somehow American leadership, whose only credit is lying to its people and illegally invading a nation, has been allowed to steal the courage, virtue and honor of its soldiers on the ground.

again, what rock have you been hiding under?

Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated.

so I guess feigning concern for show is a virtue
Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated.

Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated.

go dig around in sand in Iraq and see how many mass graves you find. now, at least theres one less despot to commit genocide on tousands of people. You all want to cry out for Darfur just because its in the media, where's your sympathy for the Kurdish people?

Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is tolerated.
Somehow suspension of Habeas Corpus is supposed to keep this country safe.
Somehow torture is tolerated.
Somehow lying is tolerated.
Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense.
Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world.
Somehow a narrative is more important than reality.
Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.
Somehow the most reasonable, trusted and respected country in the world has become one of the most irrational, belligerent, feared, and distrusted countries in the world.

dont act like ALL of this is the cause of any recent president. you are REALLY ignorant if you think that there are ANY noble politicians that value any of those things over thier business interests.

Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.

if you believe any of this garbage you are just as ignorant as the people you're trying to insult.

Somehow nobody is accountable for this.
In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people. So don’t be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that “somehowâ€Â￾ was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites.

well there's your apathy. if you really care and want change then take on some REAL progressive ideas and force change. if not, then you are the only one to blame.

Luckily this country is still a democracy. People still have a voice. People still can take action. It can start after Pat’s birthday.

how poetic, but ultimately inane. also, this is a republic, not a democracy
btw, this is directed at the person that wrote this garbage originally, not to the reposter.
The only way to really have your voice heard is to empower independent parties. There really is no difference between republicans and democrats. The have everybody believing there is a huge polarity between the 2, but have you really seen any of them act on any of their big issues when they get in power? dont believe the spin! Vote for yourself, GO LIBERTARIAN!

Proving Tillman's point. There's an excuse for everything....EVERYTHING on that list. Yay. You won.

[BlazeTSU]

i myself have decided NOT to vote until somebody shows up on the radar that actually looks to help the country other than themselves or their party. i'm tired of this "lesser of two evils" BS we've been playing for the past two decades.

politicians work for other politicians and their party.......NOT the people of this country.



and vince.......is there something wrong with brutal death metal and conservative politics?

[Matt]

Didn't claim to, but way to miss the point.

you had no point, what the hell does sonny purdue and your friend pat and the military have to do with eachother??? maybe you shouldnt vote if you dont know the difference between state and national legal systems..... fucking liberal faggot

[necroodin]

I didn't get Vince's last post either, maybe someone can help. It did not seem to connect with what was referenced. Perhaps I'm too stoned, but it seems to be somewhat illogical. Help me matt.

[NeuroNomicon]

Vince and HR seem to be the only people on the board who can form an abstract thought.

The PNAC Cowboys have hijacked American politics. You can regurgitate the same horseshit you get spoon fed off of cable news, but the majority of the arguments here, other than HR's and Vince's, seem to be of the emotionally-cahrged, rally-round Bill O'Reilley sort of mindless herdism.

Iraq posed no direct threat to the United States. The fucking story's over.

Iran is "working on "the bomb"". But Condoleeza Rice gets on TV and says, "We're not considering he North Korean missle tests as a threat".

It's called Cognitve Dissonance. The Hegelian Dialectic. And Double-think.

We have Oil Tycoon politicians, playing around in an oil-soaked region of the world.

Your answer to all the above questions is simply "power". All politicians and religious figures want it. They machinate to appropriate that power for themselves in the largest singular manner possible.

It's really pretty simple really. They make the rules, and you obey them.

Keep it up. We're all useful beasts of burden in the Globalist power grab. I'm sure our elected officials will be losing lots of sleep over all the lives lost in this so-called "War on Terror". Just like the "War on Drugs", the only losers are the common folks.

We're all serfs. Get back in line, quit asking questions, and keep electing a bunch of rich assholes who could care less whether you're ground into paste when they draft all of us for World War Terminus.

Maybe when we've irradiated the earth five times over, and pissed enough DU into every small town in every backwater country, you guys will finally be happy.

It's amazing how much we all "know" about a bunch of people we've never met, from 5,000 miles away. Who cares, right? Anderson Cooper says they're bad dudes, so they must be. They hate "freedom".

Last time I checked, we didn't have a whole lot of freedom left for them to hate.

[NeuroNomicon]

P.S. If you're afraid of what a bunch of dudes without cars, without computers, without running water, and who spend their time herding goats and worshipping Middle Eastern tribal "gods" can do to you, you're a monumental, tumbling, tumbling dickweed. Not to mention a total pussy.

Please Mr. Congress-man save us from the big, oh-so bad, terrorists! They're everywhere! They're like those damned Commies!!! They're coming for my children. Hide your daughters. More importantly, hide your pork!