Football season

Post by **BlazeTSU** » Mon September 11th, 2006, 8:48 pm

aside from vick i very much enjoy the falcons team. i haven't agreed with all of jim mora's decisions but he has made a difference for the better. i also like the fact that he tries to win games. thats why i love players like bret favre.....he isn't afraid to try to win and doesn't just play "not to lose". i hate that strategy and mindset and it flows rampant throughout all pro sports and we, the fans suffer for it b/c playing "not to lose" makes for boring games/fights/races......etc...

that being said.....

that front office is pretty silly.

back to vick......he is a double-edged sword. while being a seriously mediocre and over rated QB he is also a marketing dream.....in atlanta. atlanta is known as a "chocolate town" and having a young, controversial, ebonics flowing black man as your QB fills the seats. signing a guy to help fill the seats isn't the problem. the problem is that vick is incapable of being a quality QB. he has shown that. you can't blame the falcons for drafting him b/c it seemed that mobile QB's were the next big thing. but years later he still doesn't produce. while guys like carson palmer and eli manning seemed to make immediate differences when they took over their teams, vick just runs a lot and over throws or throws behind receivers. we could sign terrel owens and randy moss and they still wouldn't produce here in atlanta b/c vick couldn't hit them on the run.....that kills the passing game b/c yards after the catch is a huge factor we will miss the entire time he is our QB. i honestly could sit here all night and type about how much i don't like about vick. and death2all, i would take chris chandler over vick b/c chandler led us to the superbowl.

but i love the falcons and i always have. and if the season opener was any indication, this season is going to be a lot of fun.

Greg · Post by **Greg** » Tue September 12th, 2006, 2:34 am

Yeah the falcons are pretty much handcuffed to Vick for the next 8 years or so, purely because he puts asses in the seats. He may be overrated, but he still makes a play or two a game that no other QB in the history of the league could ever dream of making, possibly with the exception of Randall Cunningham. For example, that touchdown pass to Michael Jenkins near the end of the first half - that would have been a sack or a toss out of bounds from any other QB pretty much ever, but Vick turned it into what eventually became the game winning touchdown.

Will that ever win the Falcons a super bowl? Probably not, but it's sure as hell gonna be fun to watch. I think ultimately that's what the front office is thinking and is exactly what they want. I guarantee you they'd take having a sellout at home the next 8 years over winning one super bowl.

And as far as Vick vs. Chandler goes, Jamal Anderson (he of the 1800+ rushing yards and an NFL record for carries in a season that year) and a fluke missed field goal by Gary Anderson led us to the super bowl that year, not Chris Chandler. Chris Chandler happened to be our version of Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson that year, the conservative old guy caretaker of the offense rather than the focal point. Only difference between Chandler and the other two guys who actually won the super bowl is, Chandler had a safety more interested in banging hookers in Miami one day after winning the Jesus H. Christ Christian of the Year award than covering receivers and winning a super bowl.

Holiday Rambler · Post by **Holiday Rambler** » Tue September 12th, 2006, 8:24 am

BlazeTSU wrote:i also like the fact that he tries to win games. ...he isn't afraid to try to win and doesn't just play "not to lose". i hate that strategy and mindset and it flows rampant throughout all pro sports and we, the fans suffer for it b/c playing "not to lose" makes for boring games/fights/races......etc...

If that is how you truly feel, there is no way you can actually like the Bucs or John Gruden. They are the absolute worst at playing 'not to lose' in the league.

Death2all · Post by **Death2all** » Tue September 12th, 2006, 9:15 am

For example, that touchdown pass to Michael Jenkins near the end of the first half - that would have been a sack or a toss out of bounds from any other QB pretty much ever, but Vick turned it into what eventually became the game winning touchdown.

The 2 guys being the LB and the DB had to commit to stopping vick in the run so that pulls them away from covering the WR down field leaving them open to dump it off over there head every time. That is the same way I run Vick in Madden I rarely ever stand in the pocket to pass. I know that is just a video game but I honestly think this is the best way to conduct Vick in the passing game.

Also the fact that Vick does get a lot of late hits for penaltys isn't bad either so what if he gets hurt we have backup's that can finish the job.

I also think that guys like Manning and Brady wouldn't be the great QB's they are without a great OL. I mean when you have 5-7 sec of great pass protection there should be no reason you can't put the ball in a WR hands.

The Falcons OL is the smallest and the fastest in the league great for running the ball not so much at pass protection now with that being said the best thing I see to do with this is make a moving pocket and you may see more complete throws from Vick.

You can't blame Vick for every incomplete pass made sometimes they are on the mark the WR just doesn't make the best effort or they are not on there route. I mean look at the TD to Crumpler that was a textbook perfect throw.

Post by **BlazeTSU** » Tue September 12th, 2006, 4:52 pm

greg, you are right for the most part. chandler might not have been the main reason we went to the superbowl but he was very good during that year. his biggest drawback was that he was getting clobbered every game and constantly playing with a concusion.

and death2all, peyton manning is an absolute freak at avoiding the sack. its not just his OL either, if you watch a colts game you frequently see him getting pressured and avoiding the sack by stepping up and his ultra quick release. a quick release is ten times the asset that footspeed is. brady is pretty protected but he is a very talented QB that knows how to win......and i absolutely hate brady and the patriots but i have to give him his respect.

both greg and death2all......vick might have an ability to do things that no other QB in the league has ever been able to do but its all for nothing if he can't throw a decent pass or run an offense. most great QB's would never need the ability vick has b/c they actually are QB's. they know how to read defenses, throw accurately, avoid sacks, avoid silly mistakes, slide while scrambling and run offenses. and death2all, you can't blame vick's performances on the OL. its utterly impossible for them to be so good that they lead the charge for the best rushing team in the NFL and totally suck at pass protection. the kind of offense the falcons use is very rapid fire, vick needs only a few seconds to execute everything in the playbook.

all that being said, the guy is entertaining and eventhough it might be hard to believe from what i've said....i've actually learned to like the guy. not because he has won me over but b/c i know he is going to be the QB for the falcons for a long time so i have to get used to that. i think matt schaub is actually a much better QB than vick.

and holiday, i haven't even paid much attention to the buc's for a while. mainly just when they play the falcons. the buc's are a much better defensive team than offensive anyway and they always have been(in this modern era.....dungy/gruden). i don't mind seeing an offense play conservatively when the defense is as aggressive as TB's can be.

Greg · Post by **Greg** » Mon September 18th, 2006, 1:37 am

Dear Bucs fans,

sorry you are so shitty this year.

Love,
Atlanta

egg yolkeo · Post by **egg yolkeo** » Mon September 18th, 2006, 2:09 am

Atl had 306 yrds rushing a laughable 76 yrds passing and only 14 points on the board

Death2all · Post by **Death2all** » Mon September 18th, 2006, 8:45 am

A win is a win thats all that matters. How about that D yesterday bring on Reggie Bush and the Saints I am ready for monday night football. I can't wait to see how things will go when our entire defense is out there at the same time.

Greg · Post by **Greg** » Mon September 18th, 2006, 11:13 am

egg yolkeo wrote:Atl had 306 yrds rushing a laughable 76 yrds passing and only 14 points on the board

Uh... if you've just ran for 300 yards on what has recently been one of the best defenses in the NFL, maybe you don't need to pass the ball that often?

The monday night game is gonna get even more hype now that both teams are (surprisingly) undefeated. Only difference is the Saints have beaten the Browns and the Packers, while the Falcons have beaten two playoff teams in their own division.

E.J. Diarrheaspray · Post by **E.J. Diarrheaspray** » Mon September 18th, 2006, 11:20 am

The game should have been lots closer than it was. The interception for the touchdown should have counted, the penalty was a ridiculous home field advantage call, and the 2 FGs Bryant missed were pathetic. The final score really should've been 20-16. I really don't understand what is wrong with the team this year. Chris Simms seems like he's gunshy. It's basically the same team that won the division and went to the playoffs last year. Oh well, I've seen my team win the Super Bowl in my life, and I can watch the DVD over and over if things get really bad this year. I guess the Bucs are expecting the arrival of Brady Quinn in the draft.

Post by **BlazeTSU** » Mon September 18th, 2006, 6:15 pm

egg yolkeo wrote:Atl had 306 yrds rushing a laughable 76 yrds passing and only 14 points on the board

i agree that the pass yardage is laughable and thats the problem with vicks leadership of the team. its hard to PASS for 300yrds and not account for at least 3 touchdowns. but in all fairness to the rest of the offense.....there should have been 12 more points on our side of the board. then it wouldn't look so pathetic b/c theres a huge cosmetic difference b/w 26 and 14.

and in vick's defense, he was reading those plays perfectly. watching the defensive ends and making the right decisions based on their assignments. worked like a charm all day.

and E.J., the buc's are just getting hammered. i think a lot of it has to do with cadillac's jacked up back and the lackluster play of their defense. they've played from behind both weeks and when paired with cadillac's back and pittman's inability to rush affectively that spells disaster. they really need to get cadillac healthly and put the offense back on his shoulders. he is their key to victory b/c eventhough simm's is going to be a good QB one day, he isn't ready to make decisions and throw the ball for 50+ minutes. i'm sure that when cadillac gets healthy and gets back to rushing for 120yrds a game and two touchdowns a game that the buc's will end with a bang.

E.J. Diarrheaspray · Post by **E.J. Diarrheaspray** » Tue September 19th, 2006, 3:10 am

I think it all comes down to the ineffectiveness of the offensive line. I really wish we still had Brian Griese as a backup...or at least someone with more experience than Simms, possibly a mobile QB. The 2nd stringer is a rookie, and behind him are Tim Rattay and Luke McCown, both of which were backups in San Francisco and Cleveland.

Greg · Post by **Greg** » Tue September 19th, 2006, 3:49 pm

Does it seem like to you that Chris Simms gets an awful lot of his passes batted down at the line of scrimmage?

I saw this on one of the ESPN NFL shows yesterday... seems like he releases the ball too low or something and linemen are always swatting it back in his face or tipping it to someone else.

He's obviously got the talent to succeed (he did throw for 300+ yards in the Falcons game and had a pretty good season last year), he just looks really rattled right now for some reason. I think once he gets the Cadillac back at 100% as a security blanket they'll all be a lot better off.

edit - hahahahahaha the Falcons are bringing back a link to the glory days!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/f ... index.html

Death2all · Post by **Death2all** » Wed September 20th, 2006, 3:37 pm

Well it looks like the Falcons have addressed the field Goal situation.

ProstheticHead12 · Post by **ProstheticHead12** » Wed September 20th, 2006, 4:59 pm

Greg wrote:Does it seem like to you that Chris Simms gets an awful lot of his passes batted down at the line of scrimmage?

I saw this on one of the ESPN NFL shows yesterday... seems like he releases the ball too low or something and linemen are always swatting it back in his face or tipping it to someone else.

During the game they mentioned that Mora's gameplan for the defense was to go after Simms with their arms up because of his low throwing. With as many blocked throws as there were I think it worked.

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