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[holly]

Hi, hardcore has nothing to do with anything in this conversation, either.
But why are we bothering to argue with this 17 year old like his opinion is valid or something?

[stalindrummer]

But why are we bothering to argue with this 17 year old like his opinion is valid or something?

EXACTLY!

[AmoebicDysentery]

I don't want to get wrapped up in the genre-wars, but I'd just like to add that "Reek of Putrefaction", "Symphonies of Sickness", and to some extent, "Necroticism" are the only Carcass grind albums...I could see someone who has only heard "Heartwork" saying, "What does this have to do with grindcore?"...but they ended up a totally different band than how they became.

Blaze's list somes it up pretty well.
REPULSION is just mandatory in general.

[Mike]

actually necro.........he wasn't being a dick. you obviously don't have the first clue about what grindcore actually is by what you've said. and don't try to argue with me and go copy and paste some grindcore list from some website and tell me that you love and know all about the bands. thats just gay.

we know all we really need to know about your knowledge of grindcore. it doesn't exist. this statement sums it up nicely.

when i think "grindcore" i usually dont think any of those band any ways its usually some horrible hardcore grindcore project like "devil wears prada" or "the number 12 looks like you" or something. i just hate that genre but i really like Mortician and Carcass and think they could be better suited somewhere else

i'll give you mortician, i'd call them death metal anyday but saying that Carcass isn't grindcore and that "devil wears prada" and "the number 12 looks like you" are shows us that you've been into metal for about three months now.

i don't mind the fact that you don't know everything but you don't have to act like it and make yourself look like an ass in the process.


grindcore is in fact a melting pot of thrash, punk, crust and death metal. with lyrical themes that are usually either political or gore. gutteral vocals, high shrieks, pitchsifters, blastbeats, punk beats, thrash beats, short songs, super distorted guitars....etc. check out these bands to find out what grindcore is all about and then you can come make posts about grindcore and not look like a total assclown.

Repulsion
Carcass
Hemdale
Napalm Death
Anal Cunt
Phobia
Nasum
Impetigo
Terrorizer
Agathocles
Last Days of Humanity
etc.........etc.....

enjoy!

Holy Shit!
Blaze just swooped in and gave a virtual pectoral crush!

[BlazeTSU]

I don't want to get wrapped up in the genre-wars, but I'd just like to add that "Reek of Putrefaction", "Symphonies of Sickness", and to some extent, "Necroticism" are the only Carcass grind albums...I could see someone who has only heard "Heartwork" saying, "What does this have to do with grindcore?"...but they ended up a totally different band than how they became.

i totally agree. but carcass has to be seen as a grind band in the grand scheme of things. just like metallica will be remembered as a metal band instead of a rock band, celtic frost as a extreme metal band instead of a glam band etc...etc.


*EDIT* - saying carcass wasn't grindcore isn't really what set me off. i could've just shook my head and giggled at the ignorance. it was the fact that he said carcass wasn't grind but "the devil wears prada" and "the number 12 looks like you" were. i felt that a little lesson was in order.

Hi, hardcore has nothing to do with anything in this conversation, either.
But why are we bothering to argue with this 17 year old like his opinion is valid or something?

i just happend to read the boards this morning. i'm not a morning person and people acting like they know everything usually piss me off way more before i've had a cup of coffee.

Blaze just swooped in and gave a virtual pectoral crush!

PECS OF DEATH RIDE AGAIN!

[MikeLindgren]

<-----Has only heard, "Heartwork".

I was thinking to myself, "Carcass!?!?!? Grindcore!?!?!?!" Wahhaaa?".

I'm a pussy who's only into melodic metal anyway, so all you goochies are sprechen ze Greek to my ass.

[AmoebicDysentery]

Oh, Blaze..I was totally agreeing with you, and in fact, I thought about posting something very similar but I was feeling too lazy.

It just wouldn't suprise me if Necro (and obviously some other people on this board) hadn't heard any early Carcass, since he didn't associate them to one of the genres they are widely considered one of the innovators of for that period. I'm not insulting those who don't know it, I know there are plenty of people on here not into grind.

[ProstheticHead12]

<-----Has only heard, "Heartwork".

I was thinking to myself, "Carcass!?!?!? Grindcore!?!?!?!" Wahhaaa?".

I'm a pussy who's only into melodic metal anyway, so all you goochies are sprechen ze Greek to my ass.

You've heard their best, but you still owe it to yourself to check out grindcore Carcass.

[ratanda]

<-----Has only heard, "Heartwork".

Damn dude, where've you been?

[Metalfreak]

After a lifetime of research I've come up with my own history of metal chart. I'm confident that it's both accurate and timeless.

I can't wait for the DVD

I have Heartwork and Symphonies of Sickness...both are great albums in my book even though they are entirely different from one another.

[BoB]

After a lifetime of research I've come up with my own history of metal chart. I'm confident that it's both accurate and timeless.

I can't wait for the DVD

I have Heartwork and Symphonies of Sickness...both are great albums in my book even though they are entirely different from one another.

My favorite Carcass album is Necroticsm -- Descanting. You should have no problem categorizing it on my chart.

[Knucklehead]

So, I'm getting to be a crusty old fart these days. When I was young, there was pretty much hard rock, heavy metal, and speed metal or thrash. There were some other tags thrown around, like death metal and black metal, but pretty much we referred to everything new (Bay Area Thrash, the Germans, etc) as speed metal. A little more complex than Bob's chart, but not much, really.

I got away from metal in the '90's, and got back into it when I moved here to Atlanta. (I went to see Slayer, and that opened the flood gates.) And I am still a little perplexed by all the genre distinctions.

My question is this -- are these genre categories really stable? Obviously, there is a pretty big difference between early Darkthrone, Manowar and Cannibal Corpse, musically. But, controlling for vocal delivery, tuning, and lyrical content, are all of the categories really stable? I know that many here are musicians, and I'm wondering how you guys would explain the difference between grindcore and thrash and death metal, on a musical level.

[kfoll]

So, I'm getting to be a crusty old fart these days. When I was young, there was pretty much hard rock, heavy metal, and speed metal or thrash. There were some other tags thrown around, like death metal and black metal, but pretty much we referred to everything new (Bay Area Thrash, the Germans, etc) as speed metal. A little more complex than Bob's chart, but not much, really.

I got away from metal in the '90's, and got back into it when I moved here to Atlanta. (I went to see Slayer, and that opened the flood gates.) And I am still a little perplexed by all the genre distinctions.

My question is this -- are these genre categories really stable? Obviously, there is a pretty big difference between early Darkthrone, Manowar and Cannibal Corpse, musically. But, controlling for vocal delivery, tuning, and lyrical content, are all of the categories really stable? I know that many here are musicians, and I'm wondering how you guys would explain the difference between grindcore and thrash and death metal, on a musical level.

I can't answer that, but I just have to comment that your story sounds a lot like mine. Are you my long-lost clone? Except for me, it was Dream Theater and Opeth that brought me back to metal instead of Slayer (I already saw them back in Bob's "The Day" era heh).

And I have some of the same questions too btw, although when I think about it, I have to guess that the difference between death and thrash has something to do with the speed of the rhythm and maybe the vocals? I listen to some stuff like Carnal Forge who define themselves as both death and thrash, then there are bands like Myrkskog and Zyklon who I think of as being both black and death, and then I see bands like Celtic Frost lumped into both death and thrash. I'd guess a lot of it has to do also with the area or era they come from, or maybe their previous influences (i.e., Zyklon's connection with Emperor), but also from the content of the song lyrics. I could be totally wrong though. As for grind, I haven't the foggiest how that's defined, and I freely admit I'm utterly ignorant about what it really is supposed to sound like. I'd probably know it when I hear it but as for putting it into words or calling this band or that, I'm lost. But I know what I like, and I guess that's what's important.

[Blarg!]

So, I'm getting to be a crusty old fart these days. When I was young, there was pretty much hard rock, heavy metal, and speed metal or thrash. There were some other tags thrown around, like death metal and black metal, but pretty much we referred to everything new (Bay Area Thrash, the Germans, etc) as speed metal. A little more complex than Bob's chart, but not much, really.

I got away from metal in the '90's, and got back into it when I moved here to Atlanta. (I went to see Slayer, and that opened the flood gates.) And I am still a little perplexed by all the genre distinctions.

My question is this -- are these genre categories really stable? Obviously, there is a pretty big difference between early Darkthrone, Manowar and Cannibal Corpse, musically. But, controlling for vocal delivery, tuning, and lyrical content, are all of the categories really stable? I know that many here are musicians, and I'm wondering how you guys would explain the difference between grindcore and thrash and death metal, on a musical level.

Grindcore is heavyer than thrash,But thrash is like Metallica and exodus and (old) sepultura (maybe)

Grindcore has less of a upeat feeling (in riffs and shit) than thrash,and is usually faster.

Death metal is usualy just simple riffs through one song,with gutteral vocals and singing about death and gore,Unless you have a GOOD death metal band Like..say.. Death! Then you have not always gutteral,good riffs and writing,and usually,close-to machine gun drumming,Black Metal has taken in the Machine Gun drum now adays though I think