Osama Bin Laden Is Dead

[Moloc]

Brian, you gotta admit that the West is far more advanced than most of those ass-backward Middle East countries. Radical Islam has fucked up that region so much the women can't drive, let alone vote! If a woman gets raped she gets "honor killed" for her sins. Don't get me started on Sharia Law, female genital mutilation, etc.

[Brian]

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[Moloc]

Well, you got a point there.

[BlackRoija]

I don't mean to say that every waking breath is spent fantasizing over the slaughter of your (your country's/religion's/ethnic group's) enemies but that to celebrate death, not for the preservation of other lives but solely reveling in the death of those enemies, seems to indicate a fixation on the more savage aspects of human nature outside of what should really be seen in an "advanced" society.

So what should really be seen in an advanced society? What traits of human nature have drastically changed since the advent of the telephone? The car? The computer? People today are the same as people a thousand years ago. Same instincts, same traits. We just have cooler toys.

Our core instincts themselves haven't changed, but we are not completely controlled by our instincts. We don't live in the stone age and have the capacity, as we are not dogs and have the ability to reason, to overcome instincts to function as an advanced society. That the majority have not demonstrated the ability to act with the decency and radical forward-thinking of those few like MLK and Nelson Mandela does does not justify the attitudes of that majority. People can function outside of what their hindbrain tells them, and our natural fascination with violence can be overcome and looked upon with sadness and disgust.

[Generubin]

Just because they can doesn't mean they will.


For example: when a hick, a thug, or any sorta lowlife makes fun of you for being intelligent, who you are, special, wealthy, different, etc and you think to yourself "Gosh not only is this guy's insults terrible but he's a moron". Do you think that he cares that he's an insensitive moron? No, he only cares that his friends join in on his fun so then it becomes funny only because everyone else is stupid and thought it was funny.

When 9/11 happened most of everyone was saying "let's turn dem sand people into glass". Regardless that extremist don't even make up for 10% of the Islamic world.


My point being the majority doesn't care to look into it. They only care what sounds good to everyone else. Humans will always be capable of horrible war deeds.

[Metalfreak]

Ah hell, I'm glad the fucker is dead and and it doesn't bother me at all that people are partying in the streets over it. People have been killing in cold blood since we have existed, this guy plotted and had over 3000 innocent people killed at once so what the fuck? Let's celebrate, he's dead! We killed him in retaliation...why is everyone getting their panties in a wad over people rejoicing over the fact that the scumfuck is dead?

yeah why not revel in violence and death. makes the world go round. no better reason to wake up in the morning than to hear the possible news of someone's killing.

I'm saying: be happy maybe that a bad person is gone, but to celebrate is to say that your life so revolves around the savage nature of humanity that instead of it being a somber occasion for remembrance, you'll just find it as an excuse to get drunk.

Or, you know, "fuck it, bro".

there's nothing in there that says it's an excuse to get drunk. I haven't been drunk since the Spew show at Jacks thanks.

And besides, this is a metal forum...violence, death and the like go well with metal

he killed alot of people, we got him (just one guy) so I really don't see what's the problem.

No, I'm not counting war casualties from either side because obviously, there was alot of death there too. Apparently, we had him in our crosshairs once and the orders were 'don't shoot' ...we should have shot him then.

[ZiniN]

And besides, this is a metal forum...violence, death and the like go well with metal

i thought this was a grindcore/old school hardcore forum

[Ryan]

And besides, this is a metal forum...violence, death and the like go well with metal

i thought this was a grindcore/old school hardcore forum

no it's a shitty black metal forum with nothing to lose which doesn't play by the rules and is out for blood.

[Brian]

double post

[Brian]

Well, you got a point there.

LMAO, I just loaded this page on a different computer and the picture I linked had been replaced by porn.

[badcarburetor]

Our core instincts themselves haven't changed, but we are not completely controlled by our instincts. We don't live in the stone age and have the capacity, as we are not dogs and have the ability to reason, to overcome instincts to function as an advanced society. That the majority have not demonstrated the ability to act with the decency and radical forward-thinking of those few like MLK and Nelson Mandela does does not justify the attitudes of that majority. People can function outside of what their hindbrain tells them, and our natural fascination with violence can be overcome and looked upon with sadness and disgust.

The evolution of human intellect over base desires is pretty impressive. Yeah, there are tons of shitbags in the world, but the average person doesn't rape, steal, commit violent acts or defecate or urinate at any given moment just because they have desire to do so. Many people who grew up in racist, classist or homophobic environments become accepting adults through simple reasoning.

As for Bin Laden, whatever. He was a nice focus for Western rage and proved a sweet graphic for stupid t-shirts made in third world sweatshops for the simple minded to buy at Wal Mart to show their 'merican pride. I'm suppose that I'm glad that he's dead, but I wonder if shit will just get worse without him leading his fanatics as strong and charismatic leader. Power vaccuums can lead to all kinds of random violence that is more dangerous than the acts created under a single point of direction.

[Moloc]

Well, you got a point there.

LMAO, I just loaded this page on a different computer and the picture I linked had been replaced by porn.

Tipper was right. We listen to "porn rock."

[Brian]

The evolution of human intellect over base desires is pretty impressive. Yeah, there are tons of shitbags in the world, but the average person doesn't rape, steal, commit violent acts or defecate or urinate at any given moment just because they have desire to do so. Many people who grew up in racist, classist or homophobic environments become accepting adults through simple reasoning.

Is that so because people have evolved over time into 'good' human beings? Or because the consequences of committing those actions (aka prison) far outweigh the benefits?

[badcarburetor]

The evolution of human intellect over base desires is pretty impressive. Yeah, there are tons of shitbags in the world, but the average person doesn't rape, steal, commit violent acts or defecate or urinate at any given moment just because they have desire to do so. Many people who grew up in racist, classist or homophobic environments become accepting adults through simple reasoning.

Is that so because people have evolved over time into 'good' human beings? Or because the consequences of committing those actions (aka prison) far outweigh the benefits?

Point A sort of follows point B; the superego trumps the id.

Back on track. It's our ability to be "better" people that makes the whole jingoist national furvor uncomfortable to me. We know "better" than to run through the streets chanting, burning flags and calling for blood, yet the fact that this execution is seen as a point of national pride makes the mob mentality somehow OK to the average person.

Again, I could give a fuck about Bin Laden, but I do care about America.

[Brian]

The evolution of human intellect over base desires is pretty impressive. Yeah, there are tons of shitbags in the world, but the average person doesn't rape, steal, commit violent acts or defecate or urinate at any given moment just because they have desire to do so. Many people who grew up in racist, classist or homophobic environments become accepting adults through simple reasoning.

Is that so because people have evolved over time into 'good' human beings? Or because the consequences of committing those actions (aka prison) far outweigh the benefits?

Point A sort of follows point B; the superego trumps the id.

Back on track. It's our ability to be "better" people that makes the whole jingoist national furvor uncomfortable to me. We know "better" than to run through the streets chanting, burning flags and calling for blood, yet the fact that this execution is seen as a point of national pride makes the mob mentality somehow OK to the average person.

Again, I could give a fuck about Bin Laden, but I do care about America.

Has any of that happened over here? Haven't seen any reports of it, but I haven't looked, either.

I think we'd all agree that there is a huge difference between celebration and riots.