Michael Richards rant

Death2all · Post by **Death2all** » Mon November 27th, 2006, 3:29 pm

Holiday Rambler wrote:
Death2all wrote:Now we have this

http://newsbusters.org/node/9251
Right idea, wrong method.

Oh I agree with you, I was just putting that out

stalindrummer · Post by **stalindrummer** » Mon November 27th, 2006, 3:46 pm

Hip-hop culture is "black" culture. I hope i didn't offend anyone with the word black, becuase its a dark and scary word........so I'll use nigger. Its not a fuckin generalization that if you look on MTV or MTV2 or MTVH or MTV Jams or whatever station only plays black music, and say this isn't the majority of their culture. When it clearly fucking is! When I see blacks walking around being degrading to women and always trying to get money and being lazy assholes thats not a broad generalization! I'm not a racist. I just don't like stupid assholes. Just like some of you whiney cunts on this board.

ProstheticHead12 · Post by **ProstheticHead12** » Mon November 27th, 2006, 5:22 pm

Death2all wrote:Now we have this

http://newsbusters.org/node/9251

Good ol Jesse - I had almost forgotten how retarded he is, but then he reminds me.

NeuroNomicon · Post by **NeuroNomicon** » Mon November 27th, 2006, 10:14 pm

The word itself has far more loaded rounds than something fuckin' dumb like "cracker". I think the nail has been hit on the head. It's right up there with running around screaming "albrecht macht frei" to a Jew, and saying, "Hey what's the big deal?". The big deal is that ancestrally speaking, white Americans haven't had it too rough...

I'm sure someone wants to pack my bags and send me on a guilt trip for saying that.

Sometimes a word isn't just a word. There's a lot of venom laden in that'un.

If it's not a big deal, and just a big misunderstanding, I'd love to hear one of you bark it at the Five Points MARTA station as loud as you can. Then expain to everyone that you're not racist, and it's just a word. Get it on film so we can have something worth watching on YouTube.

Everyone is tough shit on the fucking internet.

Holiday Rambler · Post by **Holiday Rambler** » Tue November 28th, 2006, 9:23 am

NeuroNomicon wrote:If it's not a big deal, and just a big misunderstanding, I'd love to hear one of you bark it at the Five Points MARTA station as loud as you can. Then expain to everyone that you're not racist, and it's just a word.

Nice logic. No one with any sense is going to scream "nigger" at the unprovoked. Even Michael Richards had provocation, as tasteless as it was.

And again, the implication of 'saying a word makes you racist, but only depending on what color you are' does more to contribute to the so-called volatility than any second-rate stand-up losing his shit during an act.

The more you demonize the word and allow it to exist in a hypocritical vacuum, the more you're doing to extend its lifespan. Congrats.

Death2all · Post by **Death2all** » Tue November 28th, 2006, 9:37 am

did anyone read any of the comments at the bottom of the page?

I like this one

It's ridiculous that there's supposed to be a word that's so taboo that any public figure would seriously propose "prohibiting" it. If it's really so hurtful, it makes more sense to use it as often as possible, robbing it of its power.

Holiday Rambler · Post by **Holiday Rambler** » Tue November 28th, 2006, 9:42 am

Some true insight from Doug Stanhope:

Michael Richards Insightful Theorem of the Negro Experience

If you haven't seen the Michael Richards snapping-on-black-people video, check it out here -

http://pdl.stream.aol.com/aol/us/aolent ... s_2_dl.mov
I'll defend him.

Michael Richards - aka Kramer - is a shitty stand-up comic. Fucking awful. I've seen him live at the Improv in LA years ago and was at the Aspen Comedy Festival eaves-dropping when he was trying to bail out of the event for that same reason. He was shitting his pants and asking to drop out because he isn't a funny stand-up or a stand-up at all. That was coming from his own mouth. (They convinced him to stay and he may as well have as the Aspen crowds are no more an authentic audience than he is a stand-up.)

So watching the tape as opposed to hearing about it second-hand, I can see it from a comic's point of view. Sure, he was really pissed off at the hecklers. When you're pissed off at someone, you say shit to piss them off in return. You say whatever you think will hurt them, no matter your own. You call a fat person a pig or a short guy a midget (unless they are a midget, then you call em an elf). Your own mother might be fat or your father short. That's neither here nor there. You need not have any distaste for whores to call a woman a whore if you're fighting with her and know she'll react poorly. Calling someone a cocksucker in the heat of battle doesn't mean that you don't yourself often enjoy the warm and humbling feeling of a knotty cock rafting down your throat.

Let the black person who is innocent of saying something hurtful to someone who is acting like a shithead cast the first stone. If you are trained to believe that 'nigger' is somehow worse than other words, I'd question your logic by calling you an "idiot."

You can see that Richards was trying to qualify the fact that its just a word by cartoonishly repeating it, then saying "see what's buried beneath your soul" in response to the reaction and later by defeatedly trying to point out how words still hold shock value but it was too late and far too out of control.

He was fucked, no matter how he thought he might save himself.

His first problem lies in that he was angry. You ain't gonna pull that shit off angry, especially as a segue from black hecklers you just called 'niggers'. Not even the best, much less Kramer.

Next problem is you ain't gonna pull it off at the Laugh Factory on the best of nights. There is a reason that so many truely awful, hackneyed and trite comics thrive on that stage and that's because the audiences are legendary dunce-capped maroons. They are culled from the sea of low-riding Hondas that cruise the Sunset Strip. They are the dull and empty vessels that crowd food courts in malls and put pictures of people they fucked on HotOrNot and judge their own self-worth by the ranking.

You're hard-pressed to find a more vapid audience anywhere on any given night in America than at the Laugh Factory. Low-brow intellects in high-dollar sneakers. Of the they will never "get it" on any level higher than American Pie.

Last and most important problem - Michael Richards sucks at stand-up. Even if he hadn't called aanybody any type of racial slur but simply tried to make the point that the word 'nigger' still shocks people - without the finger-pointing or the hostile crowd - it still wouldn't have been funny unless he were slipping on a banana peel while running into Jerry's apartment - and then you'd still have to write it out for him.

But I'll still take his side. As far as I'm concerned, yelling at someone that they aren't funny while they are onstage is more offensive than calling someone a nigger. That's because I am a comic and have no history of being black. So, like you, I can only tell you what would bother me. And you can call me a nigger all day, just don't yell out that I'm not funny when I'm onstage.

Holiday Rambler · Post by **Holiday Rambler** » Tue November 28th, 2006, 9:50 am

Even more insight!

So the whole thing with this lawsuit is that two black guys went to a club, acted in a disrespectful manner, got called niggers, and are now upset to the point of being inconsolable, frightened even, but a few grand could smooth it over? Sounds like Richards hit the nail on the head to me. Case dismissed.

ProstheticHead12 · Post by **ProstheticHead12** » Tue November 28th, 2006, 11:15 am

Calling someone a cocksucker in the heat of battle doesn't mean that you don't yourself often enjoy the warm and humbling feeling of a knotty cock rafting down your throat.

Just thought I'd point out that this line is great.

ratanda · Post by **ratanda** » Tue November 28th, 2006, 11:12 pm

http://www.foundrymusic.com/MP3/Kramer_Racist_Rap.zip

Post by **BlazeTSU** » Tue November 28th, 2006, 11:21 pm

NeuroNomicon wrote:The word itself has far more loaded rounds than something fuckin' dumb like "cracker". I think the nail has been hit on the head. It's right up there with running around screaming "albrecht macht frei" to a Jew, and saying, "Hey what's the big deal?". The big deal is that ancestrally speaking, white Americans haven't had it too rough...

I'm sure someone wants to pack my bags and send me on a guilt trip for saying that.

Sometimes a word isn't just a word. There's a lot of venom laden in that'un.

If it's not a big deal, and just a big misunderstanding, I'd love to hear one of you bark it at the Five Points MARTA station as loud as you can. Then expain to everyone that you're not racist, and it's just a word. Get it on film so we can have something worth watching on YouTube.

Everyone is tough shit on the fucking internet.

so, did you read my "not that big a deal" post as a whole or did you just get your feelings hurt by the first line and decide to respond?

i'm talking about the hypocracy of calling one man a racist for one outburst. i'm not saying go out and call everyone a fuckin "nigger". its the double standard that pisses me off. its horseshit for society and the media to make it out like white people are the only people that are capable of racism. if its not a big deal for black people to talk about killing white people and to publicly say things like "the only good white man is a dead white man" then it shouldn't be that big of a deal for michael richards to call some assholes "niggers".

if he was going around and calling everyone a nigger then it would be a big friggin deal. if he was spreading hate through propaganda and using his "celebrity" to sway the minds of his fans then its a big deal. point is he was pissed off and acted as such. he is no racist. and for your information, since we are talking about michael richards, the jew......ANCESTRALLY SPEAKING JEWS HAVE HAD IT PRETTY ROUGH!

he got pissed off and said some things that he regrets........who hasn't done that? anyone that wants to label and condemn people for one incident are hypocrites of the highest order.

and FYI, i've never once tried to be "tough shit" on the internet......if i decide to give my opinion about something then its there for everyone to know.....online or in person. ontop of that, i'd say that 98% of the people who post on these forums know me in some form or fashion in real life so theres absolutly nothing for me to gain by being an internet tough guy.

NeuroNomicon · Post by **NeuroNomicon** » Wed November 29th, 2006, 12:30 am

Calm down, Sir Blaze. No hard feelin's man. I'm not saying you're being a tough guy, I'm saying people thinkin' droppin' the N-bomb is a cool thing to do. I'm not naming names of people I'm referring to.

On a side note, you're a real life tough guy. You could crush my melon with your mighty, and thunderous, biceps of steel.

All I'm cryin' about is that droppin' the N-bomb ain't a fucking cool thing to do. Now if peeps wanna bash on Swedes, that's cool. I could cry all day about Christianity ruining all things Viking, but I ain't trippin'.

I can't relate to a group of minorities, because I don't know what it's like.

We're all minorities as metal heads.

Fuck it, dude, let's go bowling.

ProstheticHead12 · Post by **ProstheticHead12** » Wed November 29th, 2006, 12:43 am

NeuroNomicon wrote: Fuck it, dude, let's go bowling.

I think this should help resolve differences and end this well worn discussion.

necroodin · Post by **necroodin** » Wed November 29th, 2006, 6:37 am

Let's just all unite the nigger and cracker races in harmony and roll a giant blunt.

Holiday Rambler · Post by **Holiday Rambler** » Wed November 29th, 2006, 8:56 am

Is that bowling alley near 85 off Piedmont really 24 hours? Let's start a goddammed league!

We'll be TEH BR00TAL ROLLERS

Anyone???

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