remember to vote republican tomorrow

[Death2all]

I think I remember somone saying that they didn't want there tax money to go to supporting the war how about this then.

U.S. Aid Helps N. Korea Build Nukes, Congress Told
By Lawrence Morahan
CNS Staff Writer
17 April, 2000

(CNSNews.com) - North Korea's nuclear production capacity will increase from a dozen nuclear bombs a year to 65 a year by 2010, thanks in large part to American taxpayer money, two renowned U.S. nuclear scientists told congressional leaders last week.

North Korea observers have long suspected the communist dictatorship is using Western humanitarian aid to starving North Koreans to feed Kim Jong Il's million-man army.

But an aid policy initiated by the Clinton administration in the mid-1990s to finance two light water nuclear reactors in North Korea puts the isolated communist country on the fast track in the manufacture of nuclear weapons, William R. Graham and Victor Gilinsky told members of the House Policy Committee.

North Korea's missile proliferation has accelerated dramatically since the Clinton-Gore administration began giving aid to the regime in 1994.

"There were no known No-dong missile sales abroad until after the United States signed the so-called Agreed Framework with North Korea," House Speaker Dennis Hastert's North Korea advisory group reported.

But since U.S. aid began, the communist state has sold crucial technology to Iran for the Shahab missile that now threatens U.S. forces and their allies in the Middle East, and for a Pakistani missile in 1998 that disrupted the fragile stability of South Asia.

In 1994 the Clinton administration signed an agreement with North Korea that was designed to halt North Korea's nuclear weapons development program. North Korea sought light water reactors to provide for their energy needs and the U.S. agreed to provide them in exchange for North Korea giving up its nuclear program.

Western aid also earned donor countries the right to inspect the North Korean nuclear facilities.

The U.S. believed the plutonium produced would have to be refined before it could be used for weapons grade plutonium, said Chuck Downs, a leading North Korea expert and author of "Over the Line: North Korea's Negotiating Strategy," in an interview with CNSNews.com. But even though the plutonium wasn't the same yield as that used by the U.S. and some NATO countries, it could still be used to make nuclear weapons, he said.

For the past six years the United States has been trying to put in place two 1,000-megawatt light water reactors in North Korea.

The Clinton administration gambled that construction would take so long that North Korea would collapse politically and economically before the reactors were put in place, Downs said.

"As things have turned out, North Korea has received $380 million in aid from various countries last year, $210 million of it from the U.S., and that is enough to satisfy the needs of their regime. So the regime is roaring drunk and not at all collapsing," Downs said.

When they are in place in 2010, the light water reactors will give the North Koreans 490 kilograms of plutonium every year, allowing them to build 60 to 100 nuclear weapons a year.

"The kinds of facilities that existed in 1994 could only have produced two bombs a year and the kind they conceived [before U.S. aid] a dozen a year," Downs said.

Nuclear critics say it is impossible to decouple the risks from the benefits of nuclear power, or the ability of countries that have nuclear power to manufacture nuclear weapons.

Ted Taylor, a nuclear scientist and critic of U.S. nuclear policy, told CNSNews.com that all of the world's 450-odd nuclear power plants automatically make plutonium as a side product. "So there's a huge amount of plutonium, which is the stuff from which nuclear weapons are made or can be made, spreading worldwide without adequate safeguards against criminals, terrorists, or governments that are disobeying rules."

Taylor, an architect for decades of the U.S. nuclear program, including the program at Los Alamos, was a member of a presidential commission to investigate the nuclear accident at Three Mile Island in 1979. "Nuclear energy is a major activity for destructive forces," he said.

North Korea Seeks Relations with South Korea

Doug Bandow, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute who has written extensively on North Korea, told CNSNews.com that North Korea seemed to be headed in a more moderate direction politically and has indicated this by agreeing to meet with South Korea for the first time in 50 years.

"I think everyone accepts the fact that the North Korean nuclear program is in deep freeze at the moment, but the question is if we didn't essentially buy them off, what would be the alternative," Bandow said. "They haven't offered any ... There's reason to be critical but if you're going to be critical you have to come up with an alternative and I haven't seen one yet."

But Downs insisted the U.S. should stand firm when dealing with North Korea, especially in view of its known policies of nuclear proliferation to the United States' enemies around the world.

"If you're in the mode of giving gifts, then you give them gifts that don't kill you. You don't hand children the gun. We could have gone in and said we'll give them $20 billion worth of hydroelectric dams and solar energy, wind power, whatever they wanted. We could have thrown in a $5 billion distribution system so that this energy could actually be used. Right now they have two light water reactors that will produce 490 kilograms of plutonium but no distribution system, and they have no idea how they're going to distribute that electricity - if indeed that was their intention at all."

[WREKage-Paul]

Paul, you're a tool.

Which part of my post did you disagree with? Moreover, which part was untrue?





It'll be interesting to see where Nancy Pelosi takes the Democrats in the next two years. I doubt she'll make the mistake of thinking their party got a mandate from the sheeple on Election Day -- they didn't -- but, hey, I guess ya never know.

[NeuroNomicon]

It boils down to you having the naive assumption that the government is here to help/protect you. Believe that if you'd like. It's more of the rich hooking up their buddies whether they're Republicrats or not.

They days of the U.S. government waging "altruistic" wars are over. War is the only thing keeping this bankrupt economy afloat.

[Death2all]

It boils down to you having the naive assumption that the government is here to help/protect you. Believe that if you'd like. It's more of the rich hooking up their buddies whether they're Republicrats or not.

They days of the U.S. government waging "altruistic" wars are over. War is the only thing keeping this bankrupt economy afloat.

Where are your numbers to support this claim? Or are we just going to make sweeping generalizations.

[Matt]

It boils down to you having the naive assumption that the government is here to help/protect you. Believe that if you'd like. It's more of the rich hooking up their buddies whether they're Republicrats or not.

They days of the U.S. government waging "altruistic" wars are over. War is the only thing keeping this bankrupt economy afloat.

Where are your numbers to support this claim? Or are we just going to make sweeping generalizations.

neuronomicon is just a homo repressed communist faggot with a shitty gay band name and plays weak ass melodic crap metal, fuck off scum!!!!!

[Death2all]

Paul, you're a tool.

Which part of my post did you disagree with? Moreover, which part was untrue?





It'll be interesting to see where Nancy Pelosi takes the Democrats in the next two years. I doubt she'll make the mistake of thinking their party got a mandate from the sheeple on Election Day -- they didn't -- but, hey, I guess ya never know.

It wouldn't surprise me to know that Karl Rove had this planned out. Let the Dems win and nail their own coffin shut. With Pelosi backing Murtha and the whole ABSCAM deal I am thinking this will divide house Dems.

I think even Harry Reid has something to be worried about with Jack Abramoff reporting to prison today.

[NeuroNomicon]

When you can differentiate between their, there, and they're, and the proper parsing thereof, we'll let you put your big boy pants on and sit at the grown-ups table for discussion. Until then laugh at your woefully vain attempts at mastery of the English tongue, and being trumped by non-native speakers.

[NeuroNomicon]

neuronomicon is just a homo repressed communist faggot with a shitty gay band name and plays weak ass melodic crap metal, fuck off scum!!!!!

Aw come on, Matt. Cut us some slack, brother-man. Ultra Vires is a song about killing Christians. That's gotta count for something.

[holly]

When you can differentiate between their, there, and they're, and the proper parsing thereof, we'll let you put your big boy pants on and sit at the grown-ups table for discussion. Until then laugh at your woefully vain attempts at mastery of the English tongue, and being trumped by non-native speakers.

I love you.

[NeuroNomicon]

I love you.

<3's to you too, little lady.

[Death2all]

It boils down to you having the naive assumption that the government is here to help/protect you. Believe that if you'd like. It's more of the rich hooking up their buddies whether they're Republicrats or not.

They days of the U.S. government waging "altruistic" wars are over. War is the only thing keeping this bankrupt economy afloat.

Where are your numbers to support this claim? Or are we just going to make sweeping generalizations.

neuronomicon is just a homo repressed communist faggot with a shitty gay band name and plays weak ass melodic crap metal, fuck off scum!!!!!

For once I agree with matt

When you can differentiate between their, there, and they're, and the proper parsing thereof, we'll let you put your big boy pants on and sit at the grown-ups table for discussion. Until then laugh at your woefully vain attempts at mastery of the English tongue, and being trumped by non-native speakers.

You will have to excuse me Mr Chomsky I graduated from a public school so cut me some slack

[Death2all]

Rep. Steny H. Hoyer is the new majority leader, what a slap in the botox for Pelosi.

[holly]

It boils down to you having the naive assumption that the government is here to help/protect you. Believe that if you'd like. It's more of the rich hooking up their buddies whether they're Republicrats or not.

They days of the U.S. government waging "altruistic" wars are over. War is the only thing keeping this bankrupt economy afloat.

Where are your numbers to support this claim? Or are we just going to make sweeping generalizations.

neuronomicon is just a homo repressed communist faggot with a shitty gay band name and plays weak ass melodic crap metal, fuck off scum!!!!!

For once I agree with matt

When you can differentiate between their, there, and they're, and the proper parsing thereof, we'll let you put your big boy pants on and sit at the grown-ups table for discussion. Until then laugh at your woefully vain attempts at mastery of the English tongue, and being trumped by non-native speakers.

You will have to excuse me Mr Chomsky I graduated from a public school so cut me some slack

So did I, but I don't have the articulation of a retarded 5th grader.

[Matt]

i graduated public school too, and i was about to say earlier for once i agree with death2all...... this thread is useless now, if you voted cool, republican or democrat, but dont bitch about how you hate the government neurofag when you dont even vote or participate in the community and just complain "the systems fucked"

[NeuroNomicon]

Matt, you and Death2All's collective opinion is about as relevant to us as the price of bean curd in a Zhanjiang Flea Market.

When both of you are able to express an idea you didn't filch off of Sean Hannity, or even slap together a sentence that isn't insulting to a child's intelligence, we'll rap.

You two have a wit that must be the envy of all the baboons in your troupe...