Is anyone running our country at all

[holly]

Holly I thought you was done with this argument why chime in now. I think by the time you make down there for winter break most of the cleaning will be done.

Because I'm sick of seeing you fucking internet warriors talk about this shit like you have first hand experience. As far as I know, no one on this board has seen shit but me and Mike.

& the cleaning will be done?
Did you happen to notice how long it took for the Twin Towers to be cleaned up after 9/11?
The answer is MONTHS, in case you didn't know.

That was TWO BUILDINGS, this is AN ENTIRE CITY (I am in no way comparing the events like this is a worse event, I am merely using it to better illustrate the issue of cleanup).
A city that will be full of mold, mildew, rot, dead bodies, etc.
If you can seriously sit there and maintain that such a job will be completed within a span of four months, then you are a fucking moron.

You are also a moron to assume that the relief effort consists solely of cleanup.
There are over a million people who have to rebuild their lives, and there is an entire city to rebuild.

[holly]

I'm guessing Scrabble isn't a big activity on the Level tour bus. And by tour bus I mean Andy's mom's station wagon. And by station wagon I mean the disability scooter she wheels around Wal-Mart in search of jumbo bags of Cheetos for your pretend-band binge-eating WWE pay-per-view parties.

When you're not yelling in internet talk, you can be pretty amazing.

[Mike]

Bottom line is :
The federal government is not our saviour.
We have to expect our more of our state government. The feds are not responsible for the levees breaking. Louisiana's government is.

If that's the case then the rest of the country can expect nothing from the state of Louisiana. International trade ports, oil refineries, etc would all be in the greasy hands of those cajun politicians and the rest of the country would be on their own and out of luck. Georgia would be back to picking cotten but that's what those dumb rednecks get for living there.

Also, think of the amount of redundant effort that would be in place with each smaller governing body having to create their own agencies. Agencies that would not be needed but on rare occasions so they would be slower to advance, less capable of executing, more expensive to operate and more likely to be cut completely (many cities can't afford adequate police/fire protection).

Ding Ding Ding!! Bob Wins

[Death2all]

actually your wrong Holly I am from Florida I have seen and been through many hurricanes in my life. So yes I have seen first hand of what goes on have also helped my family pick up the pices and rebuilt so don't give me that shit

[Greg]

Sounds like they did a half ass job why not do it right the first time or was the funding cut then too.

They did "do it right" back then. "Doing it right" requires money to keep the walls from eroding year after year as well as sinking too low to be effective. Despite pleas from both the people living in the city and various Senate debates on the matter fighting the war in Iraq was deemed more necessary than continued maintenance of the levees. Not to mention that various wetland reclamation projects around the area took away a lot of the city's natural flood protection.

[Death2all]

still sounds like the state could have done more regardless. The state could have taken things into there own hands. Not only that but whos to say that a new leeve would have with stood the force of 175mph winds

[andyb]

Oh and on another note about the leeves you act like these leeves where built during the bush administration which is not the case. The leeves are older than anyone on this forum. Why not blame every president that did nothing about them not just bush you bunch of assholes.

Because none of the other presidents cut the funding for their maintenance to fund a war. They were strengthened as recently as 1995 after a different flood hit down there, but by 2003 all the funding for keeping them at full strength was gone, which is a big reason why most of New Orleans is now gone.

It's really not that hard to see that this whole situation, while unavoidable, certainly could have been a lot less catastrophic with proper federal attention to evacuation procedures and flood prevention.

Ultimately it's a case of the government playing the high odds hoping the worst wouldn't ever happen and losing.

proper funding to keep them at "full strength" still wouldnt have stood up to this hurricane. they were built properly, and if he did give the funding to fix them, new orleans still would have gotten fucked. because they wouldnt have been fixed in time.

[andyb]

I'm guessing Scrabble isn't a big activity on the Level tour bus. And by tour bus I mean Andy's mom's station wagon. And by station wagon I mean the disability scooter she wheels around Wal-Mart in search of jumbo bags of Cheetos for your pretend-band binge-eating WWE pay-per-view parties.

there you go man, i knew you had it in ya, little better there, still need to work on it a little, but your definately gettin better. and its doritos, and dont be talkin bout mama's rascal

[andyb]

Holly I thought you was done with this argument why chime in now. I think by the time you make down there for winter break most of the cleaning will be done.

Because I'm sick of seeing you fucking internet warriors talk about this shit like you have first hand experience. As far as I know, no one on this board has seen shit but me and Mike.

& the cleaning will be done?
Did you happen to notice how long it took for the Twin Towers to be cleaned up after 9/11?
The answer is MONTHS, in case you didn't know.

That was TWO BUILDINGS, this is AN ENTIRE CITY (I am in no way comparing the events like this is a worse event, I am merely using it to better illustrate the issue of cleanup).
A city that will be full of mold, mildew, rot, dead bodies, etc.
If you can seriously sit there and maintain that such a job will be completed within a span of four months, then you are a fucking moron.

You are also a moron to assume that the relief effort consists solely of cleanup.
There are over a million people who have to rebuild their lives, and there is an entire city to rebuild.

how do you know shit about cleaning??? "i was helping at the red cross this weekend" that aint shit. like i said before, i went down for andrew AND ivan, running equipment for weeks. at least new orleans is clustered together. ivan was fucked for miles and miles around. you would be supprised how fast they get this shit cleaned up. they will start sendin contracters home in 2 weeks. not all of them. but some. rebuilding will take time. but that town will be back on their feet by the time you and your gay ass friends take your honorable trip to make yourself feel better. you cant wait till its convienient. if you wanna help drop whatever dick your holding and go now. the waters are receding and youll have plenty to do soon enough.

[holly]

Holly I thought you was done with this argument why chime in now. I think by the time you make down there for winter break most of the cleaning will be done.

Because I'm sick of seeing you fucking internet warriors talk about this shit like you have first hand experience. As far as I know, no one on this board has seen shit but me and Mike.

& the cleaning will be done?
Did you happen to notice how long it took for the Twin Towers to be cleaned up after 9/11?
The answer is MONTHS, in case you didn't know.

That was TWO BUILDINGS, this is AN ENTIRE CITY (I am in no way comparing the events like this is a worse event, I am merely using it to better illustrate the issue of cleanup).
A city that will be full of mold, mildew, rot, dead bodies, etc.
If you can seriously sit there and maintain that such a job will be completed within a span of four months, then you are a fucking moron.

You are also a moron to assume that the relief effort consists solely of cleanup.
There are over a million people who have to rebuild their lives, and there is an entire city to rebuild.

how do you know shit about cleaning??? "i was helping at the red cross this weekend" that aint shit. like i said before, i went down for andrew AND ivan, running equipment for weeks. at least new orleans is clustered together. ivan was fucked for miles and miles around. you would be supprised how fast they get this shit cleaned up. they will start sendin contracters home in 2 weeks. not all of them. but some. rebuilding will take time. but that town will be back on their feet by the time you and your gay ass friends take your honorable trip to make yourself feel better. you cant wait till its convienient. if you wanna help drop whatever dick your holding and go now. the waters are receding and youll have plenty to do soon enough.

I can do whatever the fuck I damn well please.
I'm doing what I can to help NOW, and if I could go over there, I would.
As far as I'm concerned, my reasons are not your business.

I still find the concept of rebuilding entirely in four months completely asinine.

[andyb]

complete rebuild in 4 months is stupid. but they will be back on their feet. clean up will be left to the locals at that point. they will NEVER be done rebuilding. atlanta still isnt finished rebuilding. there is always more to build. but everything that needs to be done will be taken care of before you can do shit in the winter.

[BoB]

Bottom line is :
The federal government is not our saviour.
We have to expect our more of our state government. The feds are not responsible for the levees breaking. Louisiana's government is.

blah blah blah

Ding Ding Ding!! Bob Wins

Due to a technicality, Bob LOSES. I'm wrong after all but I'm starting to see the light. It's retarded to think the federal govt could be responsible. But why is the Louisiana govt responsible? They're not the Louisianians(?) saviours. Shit, the last week has proven that. Who wants federal or state govt hounding ya? While we're at it, Orleans parish and the city of New Orleans ... that's right, not responsible! The neighborhood watch? Fuck no!

The news quoted some cop telling a tourist asking for help "Go to hell! It's every man for himself". Now there's a man with a plan! Each resident should have an adequate levee, evacuation plan, aid relief plan, etc. And I'm not just talking about households but each person - fuck Mom, Dad, granny, your sister and the dog! Every familiy has at least one deadbeat anyway. They all need to drop the government crutches and look after their own damn selves!

I'm BoB and I endorse this message.

[donny]

I blame Level

[BoB]

and now even the Mexican government is sending convoys of aid. dammit don't these governments from around the world get it?!?! It's someone elses problem!!!

This is LeveL's fault, fuckers. BURN THEM!!!

[donny]

Yes, a massive LEVEL burning !!!!