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President

Obama
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42%
Clinton
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5%
The Old Republican Guy
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37%
RON PAUL RULES! 2008! WOO HOO!
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16%
 
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Post by Mitch » Fri May 9th, 2008, 9:17 pm

God I wish Al Gore would have run. Oh well, guess he lost interest (or spent too much money).

I liked McCain before he started running, but he's receiving so much pressure from his neo-con party that I don't care to vote for him.

Hillary would have been fine I think but she won't get the nomination. Obama I'm not so sure about, he just doesn't have enough experience. You could argue that Hillary doesn't have much more, and you'd be technically right, but at least she's seen first hand the responsibilities of the oval office.

Everyone hates the war at this point, and honestly I think it's time to get out whether the region is stable or not. Maybe it will become a "hotbed of terrorism" or whatever but they can't hate us any more than they do now while we're in their homeland.

As far as oil goes, none of them have said anything because none of them can solve the problem. But look at it this way: a few decades from now when Saudi Arabia is starting to run dry, we'll be sitting on top of huge oil reserves. Then we'll be the ones in control. And when that runs out, we can finally start building wind turbines and nuclear reactors.

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Post by Brian » Fri May 9th, 2008, 9:22 pm

RichOfSilence wrote:
AmoebicDysentery wrote:Everyone on this board should vote for McCain since Metal/Hardcore/Punk thrives when theres a republican president.

I know your response was in jest (I hope), but:

I'm sick of seeing my buddies get wounded or killed in Iraq. Obama will bring them home/focus our energy in Afghanistan where it should be.

Fuck the economy. Fuck taxes. Bring our troops/friends home from the bullshit war.

Maybe I have a different outlook after being in the military, but this war is just unacceptable.
Can't say I totally agree with that. I do agree that we should get out of the war as soon as possible but the economy and taxes are much more important issues IMO. Yeah yeah they're all connected with the war and ending it would help those issues, but I think that the president's goal should be to focus on the good of the majority of citizens. Obviously the majority of US citizens aren't fighting or even in the military, but working on the economy and taxes would help out everybody.

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Post by Death2all » Fri May 9th, 2008, 10:34 pm

A great man once said

"If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth. And this idea that government is beholden to the people, that it has no other source of power except to sovereign people, is still the newest and most unique idea in all the long history of man's relation to man. This is the issue of this election. Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capital can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.… We have so many people who can't see a fat man standing beside a thin one without coming to the conclusion that the fat man got that way by taking advantage of the thin one. So they are going to solve all the problems of human misery through government and government planning. Well, now, if government planning and welfare had the answer and they've had almost 30 years of it, shouldn't we expect government to almost read the score to us once in a while? Shouldn't they be telling us about the decline each year in the number of people needing help? The reduction in the need for public housing? But the reverse is true. Each year the need grows greater, the program grows greater"

Here are a few other points to ponder

Socialists do not merely want a welfare state, they absolutely must have one. They must have a groveling, dependent class from which to obtain their daily opiate: an hallucinogenic euphoria which comes from the delusion of being superior to, … all others.
- Edward Britton
Wherever there is a jackboot stomping on a human face, there will be a well-heeled, Western liberal to explain that the face does, after all, enjoy free health care …
- John Derbyshire
I sit on a man’s back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his load by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
- Leo Tolstoy
Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we would soon want bread.
- Thomas Jefferson
The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them … benefits.
- Plutarch
If government half a century ago had provided us with all our dinners and breakfasts, it would be the practice of our orators today to assume the impossibility of our providing for ourselves.
- Auberon Herbert
The gentle government that promises to hold your hand, as you cross the street, refuses to let go on the other side.
- Theodore J. Forstmann
"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery."

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Post by RichOfSilence » Sat May 10th, 2008, 2:20 am

Brian wrote:
RichOfSilence wrote:
AmoebicDysentery wrote:Everyone on this board should vote for McCain since Metal/Hardcore/Punk thrives when theres a republican president.

I know your response was in jest (I hope), but:

I'm sick of seeing my buddies get wounded or killed in Iraq. Obama will bring them home/focus our energy in Afghanistan where it should be.

Fuck the economy. Fuck taxes. Bring our troops/friends home from the bullshit war.

Maybe I have a different outlook after being in the military, but this war is just unacceptable.
Can't say I totally agree with that. I do agree that we should get out of the war as soon as possible but the economy and taxes are much more important issues IMO. Yeah yeah they're all connected with the war and ending it would help those issues, but I think that the president's goal should be to focus on the good of the majority of citizens. Obviously the majority of US citizens aren't fighting or even in the military, but working on the economy and taxes would help out everybody.
This sounds like you're cool with pretty much selling out the lives of the few (troops) so everyone's pretty credit and job security is saved.

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Post by Brian » Sat May 10th, 2008, 10:24 am

RichOfSilence wrote:
Brian wrote:
RichOfSilence wrote:
AmoebicDysentery wrote:Everyone on this board should vote for McCain since Metal/Hardcore/Punk thrives when theres a republican president.

I know your response was in jest (I hope), but:

I'm sick of seeing my buddies get wounded or killed in Iraq. Obama will bring them home/focus our energy in Afghanistan where it should be.

Fuck the economy. Fuck taxes. Bring our troops/friends home from the bullshit war.

Maybe I have a different outlook after being in the military, but this war is just unacceptable.
Can't say I totally agree with that. I do agree that we should get out of the war as soon as possible but the economy and taxes are much more important issues IMO. Yeah yeah they're all connected with the war and ending it would help those issues, but I think that the president's goal should be to focus on the good of the majority of citizens. Obviously the majority of US citizens aren't fighting or even in the military, but working on the economy and taxes would help out everybody.
This sounds like you're cool with pretty much selling out the lives of the few (troops) so everyone's pretty credit and job security is saved.
You know perfectly well that the economy and taxes affect much more than credit ratings and job security.

I said that I agreed with you that the troops should be pulled out as soon as possible, so I'm not "selling out" anybody. I'm just saying that it isn't the most important thing we need to deal with right now.

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Post by Metalfreak » Sat May 10th, 2008, 10:52 am

Mitch wrote: As far as oil goes, none of them have said anything because none of them can solve the problem. But look at it this way: a few decades from now when Saudi Arabia is starting to run dry, we'll be sitting on top of huge oil reserves. Then we'll be the ones in control. And when that runs out, we can finally start building wind turbines and nuclear reactors.
yeah probably.

Did you know that there are 30 proposed nuclear reactor sites in the US? most of the proposed locations for them (I think 26) are located in the southeast. We may be already there.

Nuclear is good...it means we don't need oil and also plutonium is nearly endless in supply. As always there's problems like where to store the waste and the possibility of a meltdown. There will be enough nuclear waste to fill Yucca Mountain by 2011. And Yucca Mountain is huge and not even near done being built.
They had you do a drug test and the forgot to test for drugs???

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Post by Matt » Sat May 10th, 2008, 2:33 pm

AmoebicDysentery wrote:Everyone on this board should vote for McCain since Metal/Hardcore/Punk thrives when theres a republican president.

i am voting for mccain, i completely fucking hate obama, did anyone else notice the gas prices got even higher when all these fucking liberals got into power, its mandatory for national security and economical balance that mccain is elected, fuck obama and raising taxes and "shared wealth." he is an absolute ignorant clown.
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Post by holly » Sat May 10th, 2008, 3:33 pm

Brian wrote:
RichOfSilence wrote:
Brian wrote:
RichOfSilence wrote:
AmoebicDysentery wrote:Everyone on this board should vote for McCain since Metal/Hardcore/Punk thrives when theres a republican president.

I know your response was in jest (I hope), but:

I'm sick of seeing my buddies get wounded or killed in Iraq. Obama will bring them home/focus our energy in Afghanistan where it should be.

Fuck the economy. Fuck taxes. Bring our troops/friends home from the bullshit war.

Maybe I have a different outlook after being in the military, but this war is just unacceptable.
Can't say I totally agree with that. I do agree that we should get out of the war as soon as possible but the economy and taxes are much more important issues IMO. Yeah yeah they're all connected with the war and ending it would help those issues, but I think that the president's goal should be to focus on the good of the majority of citizens. Obviously the majority of US citizens aren't fighting or even in the military, but working on the economy and taxes would help out everybody.
This sounds like you're cool with pretty much selling out the lives of the few (troops) so everyone's pretty credit and job security is saved.
You know perfectly well that the economy and taxes affect much more than credit ratings and job security.

I said that I agreed with you that the troops should be pulled out as soon as possible, so I'm not "selling out" anybody. I'm just saying that it isn't the most important thing we need to deal with right now.
Even if my example wasn't accurate, you are still saying let the troops fight and die while we figure our economy out.

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Post by holly » Sat May 10th, 2008, 3:36 pm

Matt wrote:
AmoebicDysentery wrote:Everyone on this board should vote for McCain since Metal/Hardcore/Punk thrives when theres a republican president.

i am voting for mccain, i completely fucking hate obama, did anyone else notice the gas prices got even higher when all these fucking liberals got into power, its mandatory for national security and economical balance that mccain is elected, fuck obama and raising taxes and "shared wealth." he is an absolute ignorant clown.
National security? Come on. How is fighting a winless/bull shit war in Iraq bettering our security here at home?

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Post by RichOfSilence » Sat May 10th, 2008, 3:38 pm

holly wrote:
Matt wrote:
AmoebicDysentery wrote:Everyone on this board should vote for McCain since Metal/Hardcore/Punk thrives when theres a republican president.

i am voting for mccain, i completely fucking hate obama, did anyone else notice the gas prices got even higher when all these fucking liberals got into power, its mandatory for national security and economical balance that mccain is elected, fuck obama and raising taxes and "shared wealth." he is an absolute ignorant clown.
National security? Come on. How is fighting a winless/bull shit war in Iraq bettering our security here at home?
I posted this.

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Post by RichOfSilence » Sat May 10th, 2008, 3:38 pm

holly wrote:
Brian wrote:
RichOfSilence wrote:
Brian wrote:
RichOfSilence wrote:
AmoebicDysentery wrote:Everyone on this board should vote for McCain since Metal/Hardcore/Punk thrives when theres a republican president.

I know your response was in jest (I hope), but:

I'm sick of seeing my buddies get wounded or killed in Iraq. Obama will bring them home/focus our energy in Afghanistan where it should be.

Fuck the economy. Fuck taxes. Bring our troops/friends home from the bullshit war.

Maybe I have a different outlook after being in the military, but this war is just unacceptable.
Can't say I totally agree with that. I do agree that we should get out of the war as soon as possible but the economy and taxes are much more important issues IMO. Yeah yeah they're all connected with the war and ending it would help those issues, but I think that the president's goal should be to focus on the good of the majority of citizens. Obviously the majority of US citizens aren't fighting or even in the military, but working on the economy and taxes would help out everybody.
This sounds like you're cool with pretty much selling out the lives of the few (troops) so everyone's pretty credit and job security is saved.
You know perfectly well that the economy and taxes affect much more than credit ratings and job security.

I said that I agreed with you that the troops should be pulled out as soon as possible, so I'm not "selling out" anybody. I'm just saying that it isn't the most important thing we need to deal with right now.
Even if my example wasn't accurate, you are still saying let the troops fight and die while we figure our economy out.
And this one, too.

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Post by RichOfSilence » Sat May 10th, 2008, 3:57 pm

And I hope nobody takes my posts as rude. The only posts that are supposed to be mean are directed towards blarg!

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Post by Matt » Sat May 10th, 2008, 6:17 pm

bringing our troops home would be a nice idea, but if pull out, another dictator will rise to power and come back and attack us, they wont just forget that we were over there 5 years and say "okay i forgive you," total bullshit, pulling the troops is a massive threat to national security, the whole thing is a fucking mess. but i gaurentee fucking hard headed arrogant socialist scum like obama thinks he can make a difference, all obama wants is to give MORE rights to black people, and take more away from whites, raising taxes, and shared wealth and all that nonsense is total faggotry, fuck barack obama! and hillary sucks too! but not quite as bad as obama.
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Post by Brian » Sat May 10th, 2008, 7:37 pm

RichOfSilence wrote:
holly wrote:
Brian wrote:
RichOfSilence wrote:
Brian wrote:
RichOfSilence wrote:
AmoebicDysentery wrote:Everyone on this board should vote for McCain since Metal/Hardcore/Punk thrives when theres a republican president.

I know your response was in jest (I hope), but:

I'm sick of seeing my buddies get wounded or killed in Iraq. Obama will bring them home/focus our energy in Afghanistan where it should be.

Fuck the economy. Fuck taxes. Bring our troops/friends home from the bullshit war.

Maybe I have a different outlook after being in the military, but this war is just unacceptable.
Can't say I totally agree with that. I do agree that we should get out of the war as soon as possible but the economy and taxes are much more important issues IMO. Yeah yeah they're all connected with the war and ending it would help those issues, but I think that the president's goal should be to focus on the good of the majority of citizens. Obviously the majority of US citizens aren't fighting or even in the military, but working on the economy and taxes would help out everybody.
This sounds like you're cool with pretty much selling out the lives of the few (troops) so everyone's pretty credit and job security is saved.
You know perfectly well that the economy and taxes affect much more than credit ratings and job security.

I said that I agreed with you that the troops should be pulled out as soon as possible, so I'm not "selling out" anybody. I'm just saying that it isn't the most important thing we need to deal with right now.
Even if my example wasn't accurate, you are still saying let the troops fight and die while we figure our economy out.
And this one, too.
There going to be fighting and dying regardless of what's going on here until they're all pulled out. What's better: complaining about the war and doing nothing to fix the stateside situation, or complaining about the war while trying to fix the problems we have here?

I don't think your posts are rude at all btw.

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Post by Death2all » Sat May 10th, 2008, 9:27 pm

I think the boat has sailed on bringing our troops home until will see Iraq become independent. Iraq and Nouri al-Maliki's government can't be a sovereign nation until Moqtada al-Sadr and his militia and dead and gone. I have a brother in law and a cousin along with a lot of friends that are there fighting right now. . These guy's don't want to leave until the job is done. It makes most of them livid to think there are people here at home that don't think they can't do it. So I am all for having these guys come home when it is time.


I think the democrats want to bankrupt the economy, they want to raise tax's they don't have problem with more people becoming dependent on the government. I mean look at how they treat black people the dims don't even think they can mange there own life. Look you want to see what happens when you become completely reliant on the government for all your needs look no further than the victims of hurricane Katrina.

These are just a few things I would love to hear out of a candidates mouth:

We need oil so we are going to start drilling where ever we can find it.
We have a high demand for gas so we are going to build more refiners.
We are going to reform the tax code or hell even abolish it.
We are going to reform or eliminate welfare and all entitlement programs.
We are going to shore up our borders and send any and all freeloaders to Mexico (Maybe sending some of our national born freeloads to Mexico along with them.)

The only thing I really want our government to do is field the best damn military in the history of man kind and make the Bush Tax cut's permanent

If they don't make the Tax Cut's permanent then:

Tax rates will rise substantially in each tax bracket, some by 450 basis points;

Low-income taxpayers will see the 10-percent tax bracket disappear, and they will have to pay taxes at the 15-percent rate;

Married taxpayers will see the marriage penalty return;

Taxpayers with children will lose 50 percent of their child tax credits;

Taxes on dividends will increase beginning on January 1, 2009;

Taxes on capital gains will increase, also beginning on January 1, 2009; and

Federal death taxes will come back to life in 2011, after fading down to nothing in 2010
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