Slayer / Marilyn Manson show? 7/28

[Matt]

hi fi buys
7/27/07

slayer
manson?
bleeding through?

[TheKshatriya]

Veeery gay, I might go since it'll be free. Slayer needs to get good bands to tour with instead of this bullshit.

[Metalfreak]

Veeery gay, I might go since it'll be free. Slayer needs to get good bands to tour with instead of this bullshit.

free?

yeah this should be an interesting show.

[BlackRoija]

Oooooooooorrr...Slayer could be a good band to start with.

[Blarg!]

Oooooooooorrr...Slayer could be a good band to start with.

haha slayer WAS good.

fuck new slayer though

[BlackRoija]

Show No Mercy through South of Heaven varied from decent to pretty good. Now the band's a joke, although some elements of the band have always been a joke. *coughkerrykingcough*

[BlazeTSU]

Show No Mercy through South of Heaven varied from decent to pretty good. Now the band's a joke, although some elements of the band have always been a joke. *coughkerrykingcough*

dude, to say that show no mercy through south of heaven varied from decent to pretty good is out and out blasphemy. show no mercy through reign in blood all rank in at a solid 10/10. south of heaven, eventhough its a lot different than any album before it is still a badass album with some great songs on it. hell, seasons in the abyss is a solid ass album as well as divine intervention.

99% of all metal that has come out after '83 is influenced by slayer........you don't become legends off of "decent to pretty good".

[BlackRoija]

Of course you do. Look at Metallica. Look at Venom. Look at most popular music today. Bands like Fall Out Boy and artists like Kanye West inspire countless new musical "entrepreneurs", yet they're pure garbage. Just because a band inspires a bunch of other bands to form doesn't mean that that inspiration was any good in the first place. One of my favorite bands, Galneryus, says they draw a lot of influence from Sonata Arctica, yet Sonata Arctica is absolutely one of the worst popular metal bands in its subgenre.

It's not "blasphemy", it's having a subjective taste in music. While I still have a long way to go in my musical evolution, I've at least gotten far enough to be able to pass beyond shallow acts with few redeeming musical qualities such as Slayer.

This is of course all in my opinion.

[Matt]

Of course you do. Look at Metallica. Look at Venom. Look at most popular music today. Bands like Fall Out Boy and artists like Kanye West inspire countless new musical "entrepreneurs", yet they're pure garbage. Just because a band inspires a bunch of other bands to form doesn't mean that that inspiration was any good in the first place. One of my favorite bands, Galneryus, says they draw a lot of influence from Sonata Arctica, yet Sonata Arctica is absolutely one of the worst popular metal bands in its subgenre.

It's not "blasphemy", it's having a subjective taste in music. While I still have a long way to go in my musical evolution, I've at least gotten far enough to be able to pass beyond shallow acts with few redeeming musical qualities such as Slayer.

This is of course all in my opinion.

and it doesnt matter, so keep it to yourself.... what were you even trying to say anyways

[BlazeTSU]

Of course you do. Look at Metallica. Look at Venom. Look at most popular music today. Bands like Fall Out Boy and artists like Kanye West inspire countless new musical "entrepreneurs", yet they're pure garbage. Just because a band inspires a bunch of other bands to form doesn't mean that that inspiration was any good in the first place. One of my favorite bands, Galneryus, says they draw a lot of influence from Sonata Arctica, yet Sonata Arctica is absolutely one of the worst popular metal bands in its subgenre.

heres the thing.......metal isn't pop. so at any point comparing fall out boy and kanye west to metal bands is mute. it doesn't take much more than media hype to hypnotize the masses into thinking something is cool, great, trendy....whatever. but in the world of metal, especially metal back in '83, there was no media hype to be found(that came later in the decade). bands like slayer and metallica were basically doing their own spins of NWOBHM which was much more intense and aggressive.......and very much underground. therefore giving legitimacy to their accomplishments b/c they actually had to do all the work. Slayer had no media catalyst to jumpstart their legacy. they built their own legacy and solidified themselves as legends in the metal community by putting out the most kickass albums of their generation that still kick the shit out of anything that comes out today.


i'm all about having your own opinions about music, but in metal their needs to be respect for the bands that paved the way. and even if you don't like anything Slayer ever did you'd be a fool not to realize that albums like Show No Mercy, Hell Awaits and Reign In Blood are far more than "good or decent".

[Blarg!]

Of course you do. Look at Metallica. Look at Venom. Look at most popular music today. Bands like Fall Out Boy and artists like Kanye West inspire countless new musical "entrepreneurs", yet they're pure garbage. Just because a band inspires a bunch of other bands to form doesn't mean that that inspiration was any good in the first place. One of my favorite bands, Galneryus, says they draw a lot of influence from Sonata Arctica, yet Sonata Arctica is absolutely one of the worst popular metal bands in its subgenre.

It's not "blasphemy", it's having a subjective taste in music. While I still have a long way to go in my musical evolution, I've at least gotten far enough to be able to pass beyond shallow acts with few redeeming musical qualities such as Slayer.

This is of course all in my opinion.

and it doesnt matter, so keep it to yourself.... what were you even trying to say anyways

haha someones retarded.

I like old slayer. pretty much show no mercy to south of heaven. the albums got worse at they went along I think. new slayer has lost what made it kickass. now its just "lets do a tour and play all our old songs and make money" psh. and yes,kerry king is a asshole. and his one string solos get old

[WREKage-Paul]

One of my favorite bands, Galneryus, says they draw a lot of influence from Sonata Arctica, yet Sonata Arctica is absolutely one of the worst popular metal bands in its subgenre.

Out of curiosity, could you rank some of the other (better) bands along with SA in their 'subgenre'?

[Brian]

Of course you do. Look at Metallica. Look at Venom. Look at most popular music today. Bands like Fall Out Boy and artists like Kanye West inspire countless new musical "entrepreneurs", yet they're pure garbage. Just because a band inspires a bunch of other bands to form doesn't mean that that inspiration was any good in the first place. One of my favorite bands, Galneryus, says they draw a lot of influence from Sonata Arctica, yet Sonata Arctica is absolutely one of the worst popular metal bands in its subgenre.

It's not "blasphemy", it's having a subjective taste in music. While I still have a long way to go in my musical evolution, I've at least gotten far enough to be able to pass beyond shallow acts with few redeeming musical qualities such as Slayer.

This is of course all in my opinion.

What's wrong with Kanye or Sonata?

[Strange]

Well, besides agreeing with everything that Blaze said, I have to add that nothing, repeat NOTHING in popular music today will ever be legendary. (Okay, MAYBE Outkast)

Also, you mentioned Venom as being legendary without being good. This is actually true to some degree. I think part of Venom's greatness actually came from them being not so great, but just so over the top. Even Cronos in an interview talked about how they really weren't the best musicians, but somehow when it came together it just worked.

Hell, I don't think Slayer's first two albums exhibited that much awesome musicianship, but it displayed some great songwriting, especially for the time. And in my humble opinion, to dismiss South of Heaven, Seasons, or Divine Intervention as anything less than great albums (while being an opinion and subject to the trappings therein) is just plain ignorant. Even their last three albums which have admittedly been not so great, have still had some solid Metal moments. If they could just keep Kerry from writing any more lyrics (ever!), I think they'd be fine.

[BlackRoija]

One of my favorite bands, Galneryus, says they draw a lot of influence from Sonata Arctica, yet Sonata Arctica is absolutely one of the worst popular metal bands in its subgenre.

Out of curiosity, could you rank some of the other (better) bands along with SA in their 'subgenre'?

I'm referring to power metal, yes. Sonata Arctica is one of the worst popular PM bands out there. Top bands in the genre would be Blind Guardian, Gamma Ray, Galneryus, Kamelot, Royal Hunt, Hibria, Persuader, etc. in my opinion.

And of course I respect Slayer for influencing so many great bands. I still enjoy a little Slayer every once in a while, but as a band they musically have very little to offer today. I understand that back in the 80s, they were really defining a major section of the metal genre and without them there wouldn't be nearly as many great bands as there now are.

However now, after digging deeper into the genre, to come back to a beginner band like Slayer isn't really as satisfying as it once was. I like to compare it to baby food. You loved it when you were little, because you hadn't tried much of anything else then. But if you were to try to eat a jar of mushed peas today, you'd probably vomit. Believe me, I've tried it. Not saying I vomit every time I hear Slayer, just that now I can't hear anything that warrants me to devote time listening to the band anymore. They were great for the eighties, but they aren't good now.