FORWARD TO THE APOCALYPSE UPDATE

[DJ Pestilence]

We've made some slight changes to FORWARD TO THE APOCALYPSE FEST 2010 due to slow ticket sales.

At the moment we've dropped the JIM ROSE CIRCUS SIDESHOW and a few other activities that were being thrown in as extra bang for the buck.


Single day passes are now $17.50 in advance however 3 day passes are $25.00 until September 1st after September 1st they will go back to $35.00 and day of show passes will remain $25.00

For all official word or questions on FORWARD TO THE APOCALYPSE FEST http://www.I_LOVE_ZUCKERPENIS.com/home.php?#!/pag ... 54?ref=sgm

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[Metalfreak]

damn that sucks. I think alot of people may wind up just paying at the door or something cause most of us are too broke to actually buy something in advance lol

Which bands are playing on what days? I know you posted that already but I assume it may have changed somewhat because of this...

[DJ Pestilence]

www.I_LOVE_ZUCKERPENIS.com/home.php?#!/pages/FORW ... 54?ref=sgm for info, pricing, line-up etc.

Broke? That would be a contradiction. Since it's $25 at the door per day. Or $11.6667 per day with a $35.00 3 day ticket. Which means your not broke. You actually have money to waste.

Now if you had got your ticket before June 1st it was $25.00 for all 3 days. So if you're broke that's the ticket you bought. Which comes out to $8.3333 per day. Less than the cost of seeing most of these bands by themselves.

Of the 87 tickets sold (63 when it was $25.00 for 3 days) only 5 tickets have been sold from people in the Atlanta area that's not broke that's something else.

Apathetic comes to mind. Since for the most part along the Phobia/Wormrot tour most venues have already reported them as sold out or nearly sold out. And the same is true along the Batillus and Kowloon Walled City tour.

Based on this the FTTA tour being planned for 2011 will not be stopping in Atlanta But rather be going to Nashville where most of the tickets have been sold and then on into Little Rock. Because all the other promoters involved are just too skeptical about Atlanta coming out for it. And though I pulled hardest for the last dates to be in Atlanta I can hardly argue for Atlanta at this point.

[badcarburetor]

Just a thought, but, while I have a few personal reasons for not having pulled the trigger, one big reason would be that changing line-ups make me hesistant to drop cash before the line-up is set on the day of the show.

I do fully understand that even with the best of intentions and planning the logistics of setting up a fest like this means that things will change, bands will drop, off, etc... Being a wise consumer doesn't mean one doesn't "support the scene."

[DJ Pestilence]

Point taken. But we've actually added bands and a date since the fest was originally announced way back in December when early advance tickets were selling for $25.00 the smart consumer would be making out like a bandit right now.

And all the main bands listed here have not wavered in their desire or ability to play this fest. And even though now some are listed as tentative the advance price is still a deal. And the 3 day pass is still a steal.

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With the exception of Damnesia (drummer) and Cop Dope (guitarist) the line-up has been set for quite some time for even the "smart consumer" to say it's worth it.

And let's face it no one goes to shows or festivals to see locals anyway.
With the exception of other promoters, and people who run labels and fanzines nobody else cares. I just saw In Ruins, Doomed Youth and Unplanned Pregnancies the other night with 15 other people. Meanwhile another 40 of their so called "friends" sat on the patio and never bothered once to come in and support. Meanwhile some label guy from Relapse stood in the back of the room. Nice impression he got. Big break some band didn't get.

And right now Earache is doing everything it can to keep Wormrot on its label. No doubt along the their tour with Phobia there's going to be more than just one label both Independent and Major trying to "woo" them by any means necessary. I'm pretty sure a few of them are going to make their way to the fest. Meanwhile the local bands playing the fest will no doubt miss out on another break simply because their "friends" don't care.

How would that be for irony that the best show going on in Atlanta this year and the one show with the one band (Wormrot) that every label Major and Independent is foaming like a rabid dog trying to sign to their label go ahead and sign a few more of these other great bands coming to Atlanta too but not one band from Atlanta got a break because nobody from Atlanta cared enough to support them?

[badcarburetor]

I know you've been around and are familiar with the ATL scene dynamic, but I can't help but think you are underrating the sales number on the day of the show. Metal - and punk - have always done big numbers in walk-up sales.

Maybe I'm just old and jaded, but I'm a see it to believe it type. I'll buy my tix when I'm guaranted that I know who exactly I'm paying to see. In the world of underground music and underground festivals that's pretty much on the day of the show. That's no one in particular's fault; Vans breakdown, money doesn't happen before hitting the road, work places additional demands, simple bad planning on the bands' part, on and on...

This is no slam on you, just the way that I do business no matter how much I may be chastised.

Anyway, to summarize, my point is that rather than dog on a perceived upsupportive local scene, way until you see how many locals buy on the day of the show.

[V-GER]

In all my years of gigs I have only for huge shows ever bought advanced tickets. There is something wrong with the Atlanta scene though. With a city pop. of 500,000 and a metro pop. of 4 million, there should be more people at gigs of any genre. The economy must be part of it!

[DJ Pestilence]

In all my years of gigs I have only for huge shows ever bought advanced tickets. There is something wrong with the Atlanta scene though. With a city pop. of 500,000 and a metro pop. of 4 million, there should be more people at gigs of any genre. The economy must be part of it!

Yeah I'd say that too but when the "economy" was good it was still like pulling teeth to get folks at shows and like you said of all genres.

The Catch-22 is when you don't buy advance tickets is when shows and bands cancel. It's easier for bands and promoters to take some acceptable loss that's expected. But having advance ticket sales is a way to gauge whether or not something is worth pursuing. It also let's promoters and venues prepare adequately for a show.

For instance years ago, I work at a club that was doing ICP the capacity was 500 people and for like 5 months we're like telling our boss, "really here, maybe you should get a bigger venue." The night of the show the fire marshal showed up and shut the show down for being way over capacity. Sold almost 1800 tickets for 500 capacity venue most of those walk-ups. Shit sucked. 17 people had to go the hospital. A lot more people were pissed.

[ScreamBloodyGore]

You're right, apathy's the culprit. Not the lackluster bill.

[Knucklehead]

One of the reasons that Triptykon isn't making a swing into the Southeast is the perception that they aren't going to sell, apparently. I guess that is making promoters nervous.

To some extent, I think V-GER is right. For instance, I'm not complaining, because I still got to see them. But is a little weird that Marduk played Hell.

[SlashAndThrash]

this is not maryland Death Fest or Chaos in Tejas or even Kollapse Fest, people are not going to be rushing to buy advance tickets. sorry but not a lot of people are going to buy advance tickets for a first-time fest man, that's just a fact. especially now that you come up changing things, saying bands have changed to "tentative" instead of confirmed, not even specifying which of these bands are no longer confirmed and then chastising the people who make up the scene that you seem to have such a problem with because they don't want to blindly throw hard earned money at a fest that might suck. If you can't show any patience and realize that this punk/metal scene isn't completely loaded with money to throw at your fest and the bands than you are in the wrong business. Shit happens, people have to work, people miss shows, things come up. A change of venue doesn't make anyone any more likely to buy presale tickets for this fest than they would for some punk show at the masquerade. I appreciate some of the shows you book, i've attended them, i've paid money and i've had fun, but your handling of this is very off-putting and i'd honestly be surprised if i'm the only one who is losing a little faith in this because of the way you're reacting, which is essentially "baww you're not buying my tickets you guys are fucking idiots who hate the scene". that just sounds more like a whole lot of butthurt instead of professional concern.

[DJ Pestilence]

FACT: actually the first one was in '08

FACT: on the flyer and in the beginning thread it says where to go for all that information, bands times etc. but one more time.

http://www.I_LOVE_ZUCKERPENIS.com/home.php?#!/pag ... 654?v=info

OPINION: I would say the line-up is actually better than kollapse fest on par with Chaos. And not trying to be MDF that's opinion. But for a second year fest not too shabby
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FACT: since a venue was first announced in May it has always been Eyedrum.

REALITY: Since the venue and bill have remained constant for close now to 120 days I would say everyone involved with the fest has shown plenty of patience. We have also witnessed some nightmares around Atlanta this summer and in the past. And so with about 30 days to go and ticket sales being lackluster I think it would be prudent on our part to make some adjustments and be upfront about it.

FACT: Ticket sales have been lackluster. Therefore we've already dropped Jim Rose Circus from the fest as well as a few other acts that were thrown in for extra bang for the buck. We've also changed ticket prices accordingly. We've also cease talks with other bands whom have shown interest in the fest that would have made even the Chaos fest look like a mild day at Fatwreckords.

REALITY: In 10 days or around the first of the month we'll re-examine the situation and take what other steps as needed.

REALITY: Yes it may come down to just doing a smaller show for the touring bands. The venue is set. They are going to be here regardless. And pretty much have already been paid.

FACT: I do other things to make a living putting on shows isn't one of them. For a living I'm a writer both columnist and novelist (shameless plug for Chronicles Of A Douchebag in stores everywhere 2012) I also ghost write for people who find it hard to write about themselves or can't string two coherent sentences together. And I'm also a Semi-professional poker player. For extra money I work the occasional gig at insert bar name here.

REALITY: Though the shows and the distro/label are mostly hobbies and a way of helping out friends do their shit there comes a point where I like you have to ask, "Can my hard earn money be spent on other things?" That's not crying that just stating FACT. And being a promoter or what have you doesn't put duct tape over my mouth to state what is obvious.

FACT: The fest was put together with the knowing the punk/metal culture of not just Atlanta but everywhere didn't have a whole lot of money to toss around on bullshit. Early bird advance 3 day passes were again $25.00 or $8.333 per day and that's roughly what you would pay to see Phobia, Wormrot, totalfuckingdestruction or Thou by themselves. So no one is trying to make money.

FACT: After all is said and done even if Eyedrum were at capacity for the fest I would still lose just under $700.00 but there's a difference between that and about $6,000

REALITY: So the reality is though no one is doing this to make money. I don't know anyone that wants to exactly lose a lot of money in this "economy". So CYA. That's nothing against Atlanta I think most people have agreed in this discussion that Atlanta comes late and that's why it's also been stated that people who actually do do this for a living get skeptical and nervous with doing shows in Atlanta. It's not a slam just an open conversation in which many opinions and points are being expressed.

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[Brian]

you sound like Dwight

[SlashAndThrash]

i wasnt slamming you or anything just voicing my opinions. i'm going to be there regardless

[Assault]

On par with Chaos in Tejas-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa........

As for Kollapse, they got Deathcharge who is by far one of the best live shows ever.