fucked up movies

[Brian]

Ron Paul 2012

Dennis Kucinich 2012

War Against Olive Pits

[Brian]

I just reread what I wrote and am wondering if it makes any sense. Fuck it. I'm just worried for my kids' future.

Thankfully, I don't have kids (yet) but I too am very concerned for the future. I know that it's pretty typical for every generation to 'look down' upon the next generation...blah blah blah, kids these days suck, etc...but I genuinely believe that this current generation of kids has a much higher stupidity rate than any past generation. There's been more drastic changes over the past decade than in almost any decade preceding it in recent memory and it's leading to a country of idiots. Genuinely nervous about what's gonna happen.

[badcarburetor]

I would love to see a Islam Camp type movie made that sheds just as much light on the evils of Islam as Jesus Camp did for Christianity, but I doubt we'll see that film released anytime soon.

I forgot what it was called, but I know for sure that there is at least one film that portrays Islam in a terrible light. Actually, I just found one called "Islam Rising," which is not the one that I was thinking of, and I think it is a Christian propaganda film. I am a bit surprised by your statements though, don't you know how many people hate Islam?

I thought it was pretty well agreed that most Americans are not fans of, apologists for or sympathizers of Islam. I don't see that we need educating on the evils of that religion. In contrast, most Americans follow the superstition of Christianity and allow it to impact the laws by which we are governed, so getting the message out about reason and science is the more important battle.

[badcarburetor]

Ron Paul 2012

Dennis Kucinich 2012

War Against Olive Pits

Soft target.

[badcarburetor]

I protested the first and second Gulf Wars and carried signs that said "Dethrone King George" and "No Blood for Oil." And most of the people I met were so far left they had shed any sense of individuality altogether. The "PEOPLE" were more important than the individual and that's what started to rub me the wrong way. I even met some Communists who wanted to "burn, baby, burn" the whole society down, redistribute all the private property and turn it all into public property. They didn't have a plan for this to happen except for starting The Revolution. Burn everything down--and then what? From each of his ability; to each of his need? Who's going to orchestrate this utopia

You present your position clearly. Kudos. I have friends of all stripes, it's intelligence and ability to communicate that is most interesting and appealing to me.

Anyway, I fully understand feeling disgusted with liberals when collected en masse. I can't deal with it either. They really are a sorry lot. I once attended a Green Party rally. It was packed with every left wing special interest under the sun. Fucking patchouli smelling, tunnel visioned fools will never accomplish shit. They care about their particular pet cause and that is all. Ugh.

[badcarburetor]

Anyway, back on track...Has anyone ever seen The Devil's Playground? It's about Amish Youth during Rumspringa the period of time during ages 16-18 when the kids are set free into the world and have to decide if they want to be Amish or they want to be English (their term for regular Americans). If they choose English than their families shun them. It's a pretty interesting film and shows what religion does to people's minds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil's_Playground_(film)

[Moloc]

I would love to see a Islam Camp type movie made that sheds just as much light on the evils of Islam as Jesus Camp did for Christianity, but I doubt we'll see that film released anytime soon.

I forgot what it was called, but I know for sure that there is at least one film that portrays Islam in a terrible light. Actually, I just found one called "Islam Rising," which is not the one that I was thinking of, and I think it is a Christian propaganda film. I am a bit surprised by your statements though, don't you know how many people hate Islam?

I agree with badcarburetor, Christianity has more of an impact on my everyday life. Also, I can't agree that many Muslims do not have something to be angry about...many of their countries being occupied or being used as pawns in various scuffles. The Taliban is basically a result of western imperialistic practices that had gone on from the early 1800s to 1989.

I don't know how many people hate Islam, actually. I know it's the fastest growing religion in the world and will soon overtake Christianity. I think it does, or soon will, have an effect on your daily life. Look at what's happening in Europe right now. It's becoming more Islamic every day and the pussies in government are all apologists too politically correct to defend women's rights that they are subsidizing radical Islamic "community centers" where Imams spit hatred for their host countries. The government looks the other way while little girls have their clits sliced off in the name of God. The government touts cultural sensitivity, but they're really just afraid the Muslims will get angry and riot in the streets if they can't have their own Sharia Law. How long will it be before that starts happening here? How soon will it be illegal to draw a picture of Mohammed for fear of offending Muslims?

As for the Taliban, they're rooted in Sharia Law. Does anyone remember the oppression under the Taliban before 2001? Public beheadings at soccer stadiums, burqas, women couldn't go out alone without a male family member, honor killings, etc. That's all because of religion. Sure they were pissed that the west was interfering in their affairs, but you can't blame it all on "imperialism." And if freeing women from the shackles of tyrants is considered imperialism, then I'm all for it. (Not that it worked very well--the new Afghanistan constitution is still theocratic.) They've always hated the West because we're the infidels no matter what we do. The Qur'an bloodily says so. According to them just disobeying Allah is enough to be slaughtered. Again, if not kept in check, how long is it before the U.S. starts subsidizing Islamic centers where Imams can rant about the Great Satan, right under our noses?

[Moloc]

so getting the message out about reason and science is the more important battle.

I'm 100% behind you on this. It will be a long uphill battle though.

[Moloc]

Anyway, back on track...

Sorry for derailing this thread.

[Odinson666]

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enter the void
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[Ryan]

A progressive tax system supports a strong infrastructure. The wealthiest Americans inherited their wealth rather than working even 40 hour weeks for it. The poorest Americans work their asses off and get jackshit from the shitbag corporations that employee them - and from where the wealthiest pull their laborless dividends. The argument that the lazy poor are stealing from the pockets of the hardworking middle class is bogus. Progressive taxation allows concentrated wealth to be redistributed from those who don't work to those who do. It's a matter of wealthfare costing Americans far, far more than welfare.

I am not too familiar with this...isn't it that you are taxes based on your purchases? I could see rich people being taxed heavily if they buy a lot of expensive shit, but it also seems like some rich people just hoard money instead of putting it back into the economy. Also, isn't it also true that poor people also have to make big purchases sometimes and this will hurt them a lot more than rich people? Poor people need cars and might want to buy a house one day, and wouldn't think make it way more of a struggle for them?

I believe you're thinking of Fair Tax which eliminates income tax in favor of higher taxes on the purchases you make.

[theRothstanator]

I would love to see a Islam Camp type movie made that sheds just as much light on the evils of Islam as Jesus Camp did for Christianity, but I doubt we'll see that film released anytime soon.

I forgot what it was called, but I know for sure that there is at least one film that portrays Islam in a terrible light. Actually, I just found one called "Islam Rising," which is not the one that I was thinking of, and I think it is a Christian propaganda film. I am a bit surprised by your statements though, don't you know how many people hate Islam?

I agree with badcarburetor, Christianity has more of an impact on my everyday life. Also, I can't agree that many Muslims do not have something to be angry about...many of their countries being occupied or being used as pawns in various scuffles. The Taliban is basically a result of western imperialistic practices that had gone on from the early 1800s to 1989.

I don't know how many people hate Islam, actually. I know it's the fastest growing religion in the world and will soon overtake Christianity. I think it does, or soon will, have an effect on your daily life. Look at what's happening in Europe right now. It's becoming more Islamic every day and the pussies in government are all apologists too politically correct to defend women's rights that they are subsidizing radical Islamic "community centers" where Imams spit hatred for their host countries. The government looks the other way while little girls have their clits sliced off in the name of God. The government touts cultural sensitivity, but they're really just afraid the Muslims will get angry and riot in the streets if they can't have their own Sharia Law. How long will it be before that starts happening here? How soon will it be illegal to draw a picture of Mohammed for fear of offending Muslims?

As for the Taliban, they're rooted in Sharia Law. Does anyone remember the oppression under the Taliban before 2001? Public beheadings at soccer stadiums, burqas, women couldn't go out alone without a male family member, honor killings, etc. That's all because of religion. Sure they were pissed that the west was interfering in their affairs, but you can't blame it all on "imperialism." And if freeing women from the shackles of tyrants is considered imperialism, then I'm all for it. (Not that it worked very well--the new Afghanistan constitution is still theocratic.) They've always hated the West because we're the infidels no matter what we do. The Qur'an bloodily says so. According to them just disobeying Allah is enough to be slaughtered. Again, if not kept in check, how long is it before the U.S. starts subsidizing Islamic centers where Imams can rant about the Great Satan, right under our noses?

The Taliban was able to rise to power because the country was politically and economically unstable after the Soviet Union finished withdrawing all of their troops. Many of the people who would end up starting the movement were refugees that were seeking to bring a "cleansing force" through the country. They were people that basically pissed off enough to start a movement and take over the country. I am not defending their actions, it is just that extremes are usually results of extremes. The U.S. even supported them briefly because it was thought that they would help mute Iranian influence.

Sharia Law does not come from the Quran. It is what scholars that are well versed in the Quran decide would be the best for certain situations. There are also different branches of legal interpretation. So, basically anything can be made up to fit whatever people's motives are without direct quoting from the Quran.

As for women's rights, certain European countries should be ashamed of what they are doing as far as passing bans on certain kinds of veiling. They are passing bans on clothing because they are Islamophobic, not because they think that veiling is wrong. By banning certain articles of clothing, they are actually restricting women's freedoms. Also, I have heard of cliterectomies done in Africa, but not in the Middle East or South Asia in the name of Islam.

[badcarburetor]

A progressive tax system supports a strong infrastructure. The wealthiest Americans inherited their wealth rather than working even 40 hour weeks for it. The poorest Americans work their asses off and get jackshit from the shitbag corporations that employee them - and from where the wealthiest pull their laborless dividends. The argument that the lazy poor are stealing from the pockets of the hardworking middle class is bogus. Progressive taxation allows concentrated wealth to be redistributed from those who don't work to those who do. It's a matter of wealthfare costing Americans far, far more than welfare.

I am not too familiar with this...isn't it that you are taxes based on your purchases? I could see rich people being taxed heavily if they buy a lot of expensive shit, but it also seems like some rich people just hoard money instead of putting it back into the economy. Also, isn't it also true that poor people also have to make big purchases sometimes and this will hurt them a lot more than rich people? Poor people need cars and might want to buy a house one day, and wouldn't think make it way more of a struggle for them?

No. I'm talking about the progressive tax system already in place in this country and Europe. The poor pay the least and the wealthiest pay the most. Our tax codification may be a convoluted mess, but the idea behind it I support. I'm not at all down with "Fair" tax or flat tax.

[Moloc]

I agree that France made a dumb move by banning veils. That will only incite the radical Muslim population to riot and burn flags and all the rest of it. But it is Islam that commands that they do wear them. France was trying to stop men from oppressing women (however misguided their actions were). But why sanction that kind of oppressive dress code? In the West we don't (or try not) to treat our women like property. Islam turns women into things--not people. What kind of God commands such a dress code? The reason women wear those things is so that men don't get aroused by their hair. Somehow this is the woman's fault for having hair to begin with.

As for female genital mutilation, it goes on discretely in Europe and (I'll bet) even here. The governments do nothing because they're afraid of being labeled Islamophobic. I suggest reading The End of Faith by Sam Harris. I wish I bought that book instead of borrowing it from my bookstore. It's chock full of information about how fear of Islam (or those who take its passages literally) is justified. Hell, I'm fearful of all religious people. People who believe that the infidel or non-believer is going to be tormented for all eternity scare me.

I abhor religion so much for one reason in particular. My father is a hard core Christian and is convinced that I'm going to burn in a lake of fire forever and ever. How can I have a real relationship with this man with that lingering in the air. It's sick what belief does to people's mentalities and how it can strain family relations. We get along fine, but not as well as we could I think.

I'm off on another tangent again and am starting to get emotional about it, so I'll stop here.

[DeathfareDevil]

Anyway, back to the thread topic...I watched House the other day and it was the shit. It's this Japanese horror movie from '77 that was aimed at a teenage female audience and the effects were awesome and it was visually impressive

That movie's on Hulu, ad-infested though it may be, should anyone need to see it right this instant. I've been meaning to check it out.

http://www.hulu.com/house-1977