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OMG LEVEL IZ TEH GR8TEST BAND EVAR!!!11!

Post by Mike » Sat July 23rd, 2005, 10:06 pm

Anyone that says otherwise is an idiot and isn't open-minded about music. :P

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Post by LeveLscream » Sun July 24th, 2005, 9:50 am

Thank you member of Wreckage staff, do you think we don't come here and read.

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Post by Mike » Sun July 24th, 2005, 11:56 am

LeveLscream wrote:Thank you member of Wreckage staff, do you think we don't come here and read.
Dude. I know you guys come here. I wasn't making fun of you. I was making fun of all the stupid arguing. I didn't say anything bad about you in the other thread go look.

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Post by holly » Sun July 24th, 2005, 1:16 pm

LeveLscream wrote:Thank you member of Wreckage staff, do you think we don't come here and read.
How about you read the shit that's going on here instead of making an ridiculously uninformed comment to the person who was fucking defending you.

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Post by BoB » Sun July 24th, 2005, 1:26 pm

wow, how about the nice weather this weekend? Maybe it's time we all get the fuck away from our computers for a little while and chill.

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Post by Mike » Sun July 24th, 2005, 5:35 pm

BoB wrote:wow, how about the nice weather this weekend? Maybe it's time we all get the fuck away from our computers for a little while and chill.
Have you been outside? It's humid and gross. I was just sitting at a table sweating and getting freshmen to join the station.
But yes, too much computer time is bad for the eyes and wrists.
I think now would be a good time to discuss the dangers of carpal tunnel syndrome. You can't make sick riffs if you fucked up your wrists typing angrily! :twisted:

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Post by LeveLscream » Sun July 24th, 2005, 7:56 pm

Thanks Holly, sorry Mike.
O.k. for real, I understand not everyone is going to like LeveL, that is a given, it's rediculous to think everyone would.
We were called Nu-Metal, I don't think we are. Nu-Metal to me are bands like Godsmack, Korn, Limp Biskit and Deftones.
LeveL sounds like none of those bands, so, what is it about us that is new metal?
WE have been called "Cookie Monster Rock" - ha

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Post by Asrynth » Sun July 24th, 2005, 8:17 pm

BoB wrote:wow, how about the nice weather this weekend? Maybe it's time we all get the fuck away from our computers for a little while and chill.
What Does Outside Mean?

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Post by holly » Sun July 24th, 2005, 11:54 pm

LeveLscream wrote:Thanks Holly, sorry Mike.
O.k. for real, I understand not everyone is going to like LeveL, that is a given, it's rediculous to think everyone would.
We were called Nu-Metal, I don't think we are. Nu-Metal to me are bands like Godsmack, Korn, Limp Biskit and Deftones.
LeveL sounds like none of those bands, so, what is it about us that is new metal?
WE have been called "Cookie Monster Rock" - ha
deftones is not nu-metal.
Thank you.

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Post by Matt » Mon July 25th, 2005, 4:46 am

deftones is nu metal, but still probably the best nu metal band. i used to own around the fur and adrenaline, both are extremely nu metal sounding. whether its good or bad is personal opinion, but its still nu metal.


DEFTONES > LEVEL

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Post by necroodin » Mon July 25th, 2005, 1:01 pm

This has become the most inane discussion.

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Post by slowfinger » Mon July 25th, 2005, 2:46 pm

the deftones are definately not ol' metal

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Post by TheKshatriya » Mon July 25th, 2005, 3:57 pm

nu metal to me is watered down version of metal where the singer sings about emotional problems or a girl or something like that (most of the time) and the music is pretty simple and the vocals are just, I dont know, I cant really explain it I guess, goes from singy to screaming, but I dont know. People who listen to real metal dont like nu metal, but people who like nu metal will generally listen to real metal and wont know the difference and to them heavy metal is all the same. So thats why when people are able to argue about being nu metal or not....thats what I think anyway.

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Post by LeveLscream » Mon July 25th, 2005, 4:07 pm

I am seeing a common trend among the NU-Metal definitions when I ask what it is, for instance Holly says deftones are not nu-metal, Matt on the other hand says they are. It seems to me that NU-Metal is not a genre and it actually has no defition at all, the music, style and genre slot are often decided by other metal fans. So, basically if YOU don't like it, throw it in the category of Nu-Metal.
Now I looked up the Defition on the Net because it is so hard to beat it out of anyone, I do not believe people actually know, this is what I got:
DEF.
In the 1990s, many bands began to mix rapping and other new techniques with traditional heavy metal guitar and drum sounds. As a result, fans and music journalists needed to differentiate between the more traditional heavy metal music and this "new breed" of bands who were using samples, DJs, raps and drum machines in a way that made their music distinct. "New metal" evolved into the trendier spelling "nu metal," and a genre was vaguely defined.

Nevertheless, some distinction is usually maintained between rap metal, rapcore and nu metal. Rap metal is normally considered to be metal with primarily rap vocals -- with a minimum of other styles. Rapcore and nu metal are basically the same thing: heavy metal guitar and drums with rap influenced vocals. This means that it can sound somewhat like traditional metal vocals, with a varying amount of rap -- some bands more than others.

While traditional heavy metal was very much guitar-based, with intricate guitar solos and complex riffs forming an important part of most songs, nu metal groups tend to place more emphasis on other aspects of the music; the guitar is often much simpler, usually with no guitar solos or technically difficult riffs, but using harmonics and down-tuned strings (nu-metal guitars often have 7 strings) to create a distinctive sound. Machine Head, on their 1994 debut album, Burn My Eyes, were one of the first bands to begin using this style of guitar, although they still incorporated guitar solos into their songs.

In general, metal bass lines are fairly simple affairs, often following the root note of the guitar riff. (There have been a few notable exceptions, such as Cliff Burton of Metallica, whose bass lines tended to be much more complicated.) In nu metal, however, bassists tend to use more complex lines, often influenced by jazz.

Nu-metal drumming is often quite simple, but tends to be influenced by the complex breakbeats of hip-hop. In fact, many notable nu-metal bands feature a DJ who provides sampled "beats" and other effects.

Now that is the Definition from multipule sources:
I don't like rap in metal, I did a little in the old CD (don't really know why), in our new one "Love lost, hate gained...." their is none.
I love Machine Head and our guitarist do use 7 strings - so be it .
Whats wrong with the Bass being complicated and unique instead of boring, I don't really get that one.
Our Drummer does not create simple beats or hip hop beats.
and we don't have a DJ.

oh, and I thought this was fuckin funny:

The 101 Rules of Progressive Metal


1. Insist that your definition of prog metal is sacred and that the only progressive bands are the one you deem to be so.
2. Accuse anyone who disagrees with you regarding rule 1 of lacking musical intelligence and not being a true prog fan.
3. Have contempt for mainstream music.
4. Insist that most people listen not to the music, not to the lyrics but only the chorus and that is why prog metal is not mainstream.
5. Accuse anyone who disagrees with you regarding rule 4 of lacking musical intelligence and not being a true prog fan.
6. When showcasing a new prog metal band to a non-musician friend, put on the most technically difficult song, and skip directly to the solo part.
7. If your friend says that it is cool, tell him that he has grasped the grandeur of prog and shown that his intelligence is superior to that of the mainstream sheep.
8. If he doesn?t, accuse him of lacking musical intelligence and not being a true prog fan.
9. Renounce all contact with friend in rule 8. Racial purity isn?t all bad.
10. Make sure your drummer has a double bass pedal.
11. If he hasn?t, kick him out and get another one who has. Single pedal is NOT prog.
12. Own every side-project a member of Dream Theater has been involved in. Listen to approximately none of them regularly.
13. When a mainstream fool asks you what prog metal is, tell him something along the lines of "prog is the evolution of musical expression and experimentalism in rock." In any case, make sure that the person in question is left with no idea of what prog metal is. He wouldn?t have understood anyway.
14. Insist that music should always progress, although as long as you write an album in the prog vein, you don?t necessarily have to.
15. Accuse anyone who disagrees with you regarding rule 14 of lacking musical intelligence and not being a true prog fan.
16. Refer to progressive metal as intelligent music for intelligent people, preferably at every occasion where a mainstream group or genre is mentioned.
17. Note that the above does not qualify as arrogance any more than pointing out that wine is drink for the more sophisticated.
18. A song under four minutes is NOT prog. If you are stuck with a song under four minutes, insert a phrygian solo trade-off between the guitarist and keyboardist as long as needed.
19. If a mainstream fool tells you that shredders are mindless wankers, tell him that "at least they can tune their guitars, har har", and walk away defiantly.
20. Spocks Beard is NOT prog. If anyone disagrees, kill them.
21. Humming along with the melody to a prog metal song is forbidden. Burn all albums you own with hum-along melodies.
22. Loathe all music you used to like before you got into prog. This is not optional. When asked why, tell people that "I am into GOOD music now, why would I go back?".
23. Accuse any prog metal musician that cuts his hair of selling out.
24. Often state that you don?t only listen to prog. Jazz is a good choice.
25. Yeah...like you have more than 3 jazz CDs in your collection...
26. Never accept ANY Berklee graduates. The drop-outs are so much better.
27. Riffs in 4/4 are not progressive. If you happen to come up with a cool riff in 4/4, alternate between 4/4 and progressive time signatures like 7/8 every other measure to ensure the musical complexity synonymous with prog metal.
28. Be able to mention 20 bands noone has heard of, not even true prog fans. Own no releases of these bands.
29. Get an Ibanez. This is not negotiable.
30. Spend 5 hours every day critiquing other musicians on forums.
31. Spend 5 minutes every other day actually practicing your instrument.
32. Yell at people who headbang at concerts: They`re not prog enough to get the music, what do they expect?
33. Sus4 is your friend. To ensure that your album is a true progressive release, include at least one part where the keyboard plays ascending sus4 chords over a single-note broken rhythm in 7/8.
34. Make sure your bandname is either a
a) Oxymoron
-Silent Noise
-Tender Harshness
-Healing Gun
Some geeky sounding name ripped from some obscure book.
-Deitronus
-Tarakoch
-Fentaran
or
c) Random combination of at least 2 three-syllable words.
-Eternal Twilight Tranquility (Can`t get much progger than that)
-Redolent Arithmetic
-Evolution of Vernacular Domesticated
35. Don`t worry about if your band name makes any sense or not. Since 90% of your fanbase is from Brazil and Japan, you can safely ignore conventional English grammar and instead focus on what?s really important: The lyrics (see rule 36).
36. Write deep and ambiguous lyrics.
37. If unable to write deep and ambigous lyrics, include at least one of the following phrases to ensure recognition as lyrical genius in prog circles:
"I`m staring towards ascension divine, caught in my own revelation, a nightly mystery of soulburning apparition"
"Mornings` gentle caress, a ray of sunlight enveloping the spirit of the sleeper ventriloquist"
"A timid, palatable genocide, turn towards the decline of mankind, the festering wound of ages past changes into the soul-spirit of vestigial sentences."
38. Use a non-standard instrument like violin, saxophone or kazoo, regardless of how idiosyncratic it turns out to be. This constitutes being prog.
39. Make sure your bass-player has as many strings as possible. Don`t worry if he uses approximately three of the 11 strings on his custom Carvin 30 kg bass regularly, just give him a bass solo in the middle of your mandatory instrumental tune(more on that later)where he can really show the extent of his instruments capabilities. Imagine the range of scales on an instrument like that!
40. Release a live-album called "Live in Tokyo".
41. Change time signatures. Constantly.
42. Accuse anyone who does not do so of lacking musical intelligence and not being a true progressive musician.
43. Your amp MUST be a Mesa Boogie. If a friend of yours tries to convince you?re wrong and you should check out his Marshall tell him that his tone is thin and buzzy.
44. State that Metallica can?t properly tweak the boogies. They?re so... unprog!
45. Start a Dream Theater cover band with friends just starting out playing instruments. Spend half of the rehearsal talking shit about punk bands and how people don`t understand your music.
46. Play a shitty version of a humongously difficult DT song at a Battle of the Bands-type contest. Metropolis Part 1 or Dance of Eternity are both good choices, as is Erotomania.
47. When your band ends up last, shift all blame over to the judges; hey, they have no idea what good music is! Why else would they let that boring pop band win?
48. Talking about starting playing an instrument; always start with the most technically difficult song you know. Remember, this is a testament to your immense talent, so be sure to mention this on every internet community you happen to frequent.
49. When are you able to play something at half speed very sloppy, proudly state that you "nail" the song in question.
50. People are bound to ask for a recording of the feat mentioned in rule 49. However, you are not able to provide it to them, because a) your recording equipment got dissolved by digestive acid yesterday, you don`t need to prove anything to people. Your word should be good enough c) you don`t know anything about computers (even though you sit by one most of the day), as you spend most of your day practicing your instrument.
51. Tool is NOT prog. If anyone insists they are, kill them.
52. Hate Falling into Infinity. If the feeling that you actually enjoy FII(even the "proggier" songs like TOT)sneaks up on you during a glitch of concentration, remind yourself that DT sold out.
53. Actually, state that DT sold out on every good occasion. This means every time their name is mentioned.
54. Don?t be John Arch. Insist that any pre-Alder Fates is 100% not prog.
55. Do not move on stage. Don`t under any circumstances forget that nobody at prog concerts pays attention to the audience, including the band.
56. The best songs are those that are over 15 minutes, have multiple named sections, and have solos by everyone in the band INCLUDING the drummer.
57. Accuse anyone who disagrees with you regarding rule 56 of lacking musical inteli...Yeah, you`ve got it now, haven`t you?
58. Never ever under any circumstances say "Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence ruled."
59. Never let anyone tell you that Dave Weckl is better than any prog metal drummer. If they still insist, don`t kill them, but rather put on the Mike Portnoy drum solo from 1993`s "Live in Tokyo" vid, which still today is the benchmark for good drumming, REGARDLESS of genre.
60. It would still be a good idea to have that gun ready, though.
61. Drummers: Huge kits are MANDATORY!!!! If all you have is a 4-piece with 3 crappy cymbals, then you don?t belong on stage. A 5-piece single bass drum kit is the bare minimum and even that?s on the edges of bare bones. If you have a tiny kit BUY MORE DRUMS AND CYMBALS!!!!!!!
62. No, 6 toms are not enough, MORE DRUMS AND CYMBALS!!!!
63. Reform with old members and release an album intended to make up for years of bad reception from fans (see Yes) or claim your next album will be a return to past glory (see Queensryche). If it flops, be sure to blame a producer or record company.
64. When someone asks you why prog metal isn`t more popular if it is so darned good, tell them that it is because "it is over the mainstream peoples heads".
65. Talent = Technical skill. Hail any band with lightning-speed solos for their immense talent.
66. Publicly state that your band is non-religious, then make many religious and/or spiritual allusions in the lyrics.
67. Stress your openmindedness. State that you like all forms of music, except lower forms of music like pop, rock `n roll, blues, techno, trance, rap.
68. Accuse fans of the aforementioned genres of not being openminded.
69. Get a Kurzweil. As the undisputed <<>>, Jordan Rudess plays it, you have no choice but to get one yourself, no matter what synthezisers you actually like. ALL BOW TO THE MIGHTY 88-KEY <<>> KURZWEIL!!!
70. ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNO-KURZWEIL!!!!(Futuruma fans will know what I`m talking about)
71. Show off with your equipment. Show off with your playing/singing. Show off with your *ahem* length. Show off with your girlfriend. Show off with anything you can think of. Show off with your DOG for god?s sake.
72. Get a dog.
73. Play air-drums or air-guitar at concerts. This will make sure that other prog fans recognize your immense talent.
74. Stuck in song-writing? Insert a part with a slow single-note gallop rhythm where the singer yells "ENTER THE SUUUNNNNNNNN" several times.
75. Note that you can substitute "ENTER THE SUUUNNNNNNNNN" for either of the following: "FATHER, MY ADOLESCENCY IS AGONNNNNYYYYYYY" or "THE APPARITION DIVIIIIIINNNNEEEE". All three are suitable choices.
76. What do you mean, you haven`t trigged your bassdrum?
77. Remember, faster=more progressive. Slow songs cannot be progressive, best example would be Pink Floyd.
78. If anyone says PF are prog, kindly refer them to rule 1 while you prepare to do a "Varg", so to say.
79. During recording, make sure that you accuse the producer, the recording engineer and half of your band of not playing the song properly at least once.
80. Make sure your album cover contains either a psychedelic computer-drawn image, a lavish painting with mythological figures, or is illustrated by Travis Smith.
81. Write epics.
82. In case you didn`t know, epics must be about adolescency, concerning a legend, or a deep dystopian tale where a cheesy fictional city/world/pizza shop serves as a metaphor for this world.
83. Have racks with loads of equipment.
84. Have racks without equipment. Who is going to see them if you don`t display them?
85. No intro for your song? Insert a single-note broken rhythm accented on the snare, with shifting keyboard chords underneath.
86. Refuse to lend prog CDs to mainstream friends. When asked why, tell him/her that (s)he "will understand when (s)he matures"
87. When playing ANY gig, from the lowliest bar to the most gargantuan arena, be sure that no member of the audience will leave without having heard every lick you are able to play.
88. Have at least 5 solo spots during a concert.
89. In case you have forgotten while reading this, prog metal is intelligent music for intelligent people.
90. No, Marillion is not prog. I kindly refer you to rule 20.
91. BOOOM!!!
92. Buy new albums from past prog-greats.
93. When they turn out to be crap and nothing like the old albums, hit yourself in the head with a hammer until you like them.
94. Hold that there is no bad prog, only DIFFERENT.
95. Of course, that only applies to bands you like. See Rule 1.
96. In case you wondered, Dream Theater is and will always be the benchmark for prog metal. The more something sounds like Images and Words, the more progressive it is.
97. Proclaim Rule 96 to people with a straight face in all seriousness. This is not optional.
98. Have side-projects. Make sure that all side-projects consist of pointless jamming over endless repetitions of clicheed riffs.
99. Make sure that at least one of your side-projects feature Mike Portnoy on drums.
100. If you cannot get Mike Portnoy, get someone who sounds like him.
101. You mean you have been reading this when you could have been practicing along to Metropolis Part II or composing a sidelong epic? For shame!!!!

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Post by BoB » Mon July 25th, 2005, 4:26 pm

TheKshatriya wrote: People who listen to real metal dont like nu metal, but people who like nu metal will generally listen to real metal
GroupA: people who listen to real metal. As a bonus these people don't like nu metal.
GroupB: people who listen to nu metal. As a bonus they like real metal too.

Doesn't the GroupB bonus attribute of liking "real metal" automatically grant nu-metal fans membership to GroupA which inheirently does not permit the liking of nu-metal?!?!

THAT IS NOT LOGICAL
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I don't really care, I'm just pointing out the logic flaw. I'm also not done parsing the Prog metal rules but so far they make more sense.

I used to like metal.

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