TUF3 Finals tonight...

egg yolkeo · Post by **egg yolkeo** » Mon July 10th, 2006, 6:26 pm

Ya man Ive seen all of Silva's fights,and I know he beat Rampage 2 times,but Rampage beat Chuck right after Chuck lost to Randy while he was still not 100% and we all know how that rematch with Randy went.Chuck has made his adjustments and would KO rampage in a rematch.
Also Silva lost to Tito and WAS TKO'd by Vitor and although it was a while back,Chuck beat both of them.Silva has to also adjust to the UFC rules,cage and do a steroid test.Anything could happen here but Chuck is far more skilled than he gets credit for and for Silva to land knees he has to get in close which will expose him to Chucks counter punch.
Lets not forget how many people the Iceman has KO'd who had never been KO'd before.And enough with the eye poke excuse,Chuck would have ko'd these guys either way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJPbVEU2cX8&search=mma

Post by **BlazeTSU** » Tue July 11th, 2006, 12:41 am

chuck is a good fighter but he has won his biggest fights with the controversail eyepokes........i'm not saying he is doing it on purpose but its just the facts. i think he would've got a decision over tito w/out the poke but he surely wouldn't have tko'ed him like he did and put him on his highlight reel. and he damn sure wouldn't have knocked out randy in their second fight without the eyepoke. but he solidified that by doing it again in their third fight.

now to wandy, tito beat wandy by running away from him. the only time tito didn't run from him was when he took him down and just layed on him. wandy did a lot more "fighting" than tito did. and vitor got the tko but vitor also got a quick stoppage. i'm not saying that he wasn't knocking the shit out of wandy, but silva wasn't knocked out. more like caught off guard by vitor's hand speed. chuck doesn't own near that speed in his hands. and i don't want to take anything away from vitor. he earned the win but silva could've easily kept fighting and was actually grabing vitors leg as big john stopped the fight. and chuck just got his ass handed to him by rampage......no excuses there. rampage imposed his will. i don't think that chuck would beat rampage again b/c chuck isn't aggressive enough. the only way to beat rampage is to be more aggressive than he is.......if not than its lights out for whoever is in his way.

now for the fight at hand......chuck throws long counter punches as his main offense, his most dangerous weapon. that makes wandy a bad match-up for him b/c silva does most damage on the inside where chuck won't be able to extend his arms to throw those counters. i've never seen chuck throw a short punch and he'll need to work on that if he is going to beat silva. chuck has never faced a fighter that has a thai clinch nearly as strong as silva's. chuck and randy's first fight shows how liddel can't handle a good clinch. silva's fighting stance also throws a wrench in liddel's arsenal b/c silva's head is always tucked into his shoulders and that will guarantee that chuck won't catch him overextended with his chin up. and the eyepoke isn't going to work against silva. he has been doing no holds barred fighting since he was just a kid and in brazil, NHB really means NHB. eyepokes, headbutts, preasure points....etc....etc.... so wandy has plenty of experience with that and probably won't even blink(pun intented) from an eyepoke.

on the other hand, chuck is taller and if he gets aggressive and uses kicks and jabs to set up his right hand than he will have a shot at landing some big flurries. or his counter punch style might frustrate silva enough that wandy runs after him and chuck could catch him like he caught randy. another advantage that chuck has is, like you said egg, silva has to adjust to the rules of the octagon. i see this as chucks biggest advantage b/c i could see silva getting DQ'ed for a soccer kick or knee to the head on the ground.

no matter what though, it'll be a great fight. both have good chins and both have the uncanny ability to hit people right on the button. it'll be interesting to see how it pans out.

Post by **BlazeTSU** » Tue July 11th, 2006, 12:46 am

hey egg........that video is hilarious.

egg yolkeo · Post by **egg yolkeo** » Tue July 11th, 2006, 1:38 am

Are you kidding me Silva was fucking out of it,Big john saved his ass!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.dailymotion.com/tag/Vitor/video/341553

egg yolkeo · Post by **egg yolkeo** » Tue July 11th, 2006, 2:48 am

It seems more like Chuck is a bad match up for Silva with his reach and style, plus the fact that he hits like a ton of bricks.
Remember Silva has to get to the thai clinch before he can use it.
Ill be pullin for my boy Chuck THE ICEMAN all the way

Post by **BlazeTSU** » Tue July 11th, 2006, 1:02 pm

i have the vhs of the vitor/silva fight and he wasn't out. you can't see his eyes on that link you posted, its too blurry. i promise that he wasn't out.......hell, even on the link you posted you can see that he is back pedaling until he hit the fence. and wandy was grabbing for a leg as he hit the ground and big john threw vitor off of him. and wandy is a black belt in ju-jitsu. but, like i said, vitor earned it. he landed his punches but the fight could've went on. i've got the multiple replays and slowmotion close-ups on the video.

and chuck never uses his reach on anyone b/c he doesn't jab. he throws his open hands in the face of fighters that are coming in on him and thats why he pokes them in the eye. it wasn't very difficult for randy or rampage to get the clinch on him. chuck has fought the same for years, open hand to the face and turn to the side to run for an escape......but he hasn't fought anyone in MMA that can kick as hard as silva and that turn and run tactic might hurt him when he gets his ribs smashed by silva's shin. don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that he running b/c he is scared. i think its been one of his strengths to avoid the takedowns and its not like he is running across the octagon, just a few steps b/c he doesn't want to get out of range of that lunging right counter.

if chuck had good handspeed or a good ground game i would think he had a better chance.

i like both fighters i just don't think that chuck can beat him. as long as its a good fight i don't really care who wins. we'll see come november.

Post by **BlazeTSU** » Tue July 11th, 2006, 1:07 pm

its fun talking about fights on these boards. all the fightboards are too saturated and you can't have any decent discussions on anything b/c everyone is suck jackasses and know-it-alls. if we were on a fight board everyone would be calling you a chuck 'nuthugger' and death2all and myself would be silva "nuthuggers" just b/c we have an opinion on the fight.

Death2all · Post by **Death2all** » Wed July 12th, 2006, 9:57 am

Once agian I would have to agree with Blaze.

ProstheticHead12 · Post by **ProstheticHead12** » Wed July 12th, 2006, 12:19 pm

Death2all wrote:Once agian I would have to agree with Blaze.

quit being such a Blaze nuthugger

Death2all · Post by **Death2all** » Wed July 12th, 2006, 2:12 pm

ProstheticHead12 wrote:
Death2all wrote:Once agian I would have to agree with Blaze.
quit being such a Blaze nuthugger

Your right I should leave the nut hugging up to you haha j/k.

egg yolkeo · Post by **egg yolkeo** » Wed July 12th, 2006, 4:04 pm

BlazeTSU wrote:i have the vhs of the vitor/silva fight and he wasn't out. you can't see his eyes on that link you posted, its too blurry. i promise that he wasn't out.......hell, even on the link you posted you can see that he is back pedaling until he hit the fence. and wandy was grabbing for a leg as he hit the ground and big john threw vitor off of him. and wandy is a black belt in ju-jitsu. but, like i said, vitor earned it. he landed his punches but the fight could've went on. i've got the multiple replays and slowmotion close-ups on the video.

Ya the fight could have went on for a few more seconds until he was KTFO cold.'Grabbing for a leg' ya thats a good one,Silva falls almost limp with his head bouncing off the canvas and his right arm out to the side just laying there and his left is doing nothing until BJohn gets Vitor off and then he instinctivly puts both arms up in the air(delayed reaction)TKO!.
And its not like Vitor was gonna stop with his left,Silva wasnt even trying to stop the punches. And like it or not Silvas BJJ was NOT going to save him.Like I said Big John saved Silva's ass from being KO'd cold.

egg yolkeo · Post by **egg yolkeo** » Wed July 12th, 2006, 8:08 pm

BlazeTSU wrote:
and chuck never uses his reach on anyone b/c he doesn't jab. he throws his open hands in the face of fighters that are coming in on him and thats why he pokes them in the eye. it wasn't very difficult for randy or rampage to get the clinch on him. chuck has fought the same for years, open hand to the face and turn to the side to run for an escape......but he hasn't fought anyone in MMA that can kick as hard as silva and that turn and run tactic might hurt him when he gets his ribs smashed by silva's shin. don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that he running b/c he is scared. i think its been one of his strengths to avoid the takedowns and its not like he is running across the octagon, just a few steps b/c he doesn't want to get out of range of that lunging right counter.

if chuck had good handspeed or a good ground game i would think he had a better chance.

i like both fighters i just don't think that chuck can beat him. as long as its a good fight i don't really care who wins. we'll see come november.

Doesnt use his reach because he doesnt jab What???Are we talking about the same guy here.Chuck uses his left jab and hook to set up his right cross.He doesnt only throw open hand jabs lol.
And I have yet to ever see Chuck run,he side steps or back peddles so he can throw his counter but he sure doesnt turn and run as you say.He does sprawl alot and throw on the break;yes on the inside!
And whaa,Chuck has great hand speed but more than that he throws with great precision and power.He doesnt just throw a overhand as many people like to say,there is far more to it than that.His hands and movement have vastly improved thats why I say people just dont understand how skilled he really is.Dont forget he can kick well also.
As far as a ground game,he is a better wrestler than Silva and has a purple belt in JJ if he needs it.
Im suprised that so many people think that Chuck can't KO Wandy.If the Iceman catches Silva(neanderthal man)he will finish him or let him up and drop him again,rinse, lather,and repeat...

Post by **BlazeTSU** » Wed July 12th, 2006, 11:50 pm

egg yolkeo wrote:
BlazeTSU wrote:i have the vhs of the vitor/silva fight and he wasn't out. you can't see his eyes on that link you posted, its too blurry. i promise that he wasn't out.......hell, even on the link you posted you can see that he is back pedaling until he hit the fence. and wandy was grabbing for a leg as he hit the ground and big john threw vitor off of him. and wandy is a black belt in ju-jitsu. but, like i said, vitor earned it. he landed his punches but the fight could've went on. i've got the multiple replays and slowmotion close-ups on the video.
Ya the fight could have went on for a few more seconds until he was KTFO cold.'Grabbing for a leg' ya thats a good one,Silva falls almost limp with his head bouncing off the canvas and his right arm out to the side just laying there and his left is doing nothing until BJohn gets Vitor off and then he instinctivly puts both arms up in the air(delayed reaction)TKO!.
And its not like Vitor was gonna stop with his left,Silva wasnt even trying to stop the punches. And like it or not Silvas BJJ was NOT going to save him.Like I said Big John saved Silva's ass from being KO'd cold.

well, this argument has gone on for years and it won't end here. like i said, i have all the replays and have watched them over and over. my opinion is and will be that the fight could've went on. if it wasn't wandy's first fight in the UFC it would've gone on. but as i've said in everyone of my replies to this fight.........VITOR RIGHTFULLY WON!

but all this is totally irrelevant to the chuck/silva fight. seeing as how when the vitor/silva fight happend chuck had only had one fight in the UFC.

Post by **BlazeTSU** » Thu July 13th, 2006, 12:28 am

egg yolkeo wrote:
BlazeTSU wrote:
and chuck never uses his reach on anyone b/c he doesn't jab. he throws his open hands in the face of fighters that are coming in on him and thats why he pokes them in the eye. it wasn't very difficult for randy or rampage to get the clinch on him. chuck has fought the same for years, open hand to the face and turn to the side to run for an escape......but he hasn't fought anyone in MMA that can kick as hard as silva and that turn and run tactic might hurt him when he gets his ribs smashed by silva's shin. don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that he running b/c he is scared. i think its been one of his strengths to avoid the takedowns and its not like he is running across the octagon, just a few steps b/c he doesn't want to get out of range of that lunging right counter.

if chuck had good handspeed or a good ground game i would think he had a better chance.

i like both fighters i just don't think that chuck can beat him. as long as its a good fight i don't really care who wins. we'll see come november.
Doesnt use his reach because he doesnt jab What???Are we talking about the same guy here.Chuck uses his left jab and hook to set up his right cross.He doesnt only throw open hand jabs lol.
And I have yet to ever see Chuck run,he side steps or back peddles so he can throw his counter but he sure doesnt turn and run as you say.He does sprawl alot and throw on the break;yes on the inside!
And whaa,Chuck has great hand speed but more than that he throws with great precision and power.He doesnt just throw a overhand as many people like to say,there is far more to it than that.His hands and movement have vastly improved thats why I say people just dont understand how skilled he really is.Dont forget he can kick well also.
As far as a ground game,he is a better wrestler than Silva and has a purple belt in JJ if he needs it.
Im suprised that so many people think that Chuck can't KO Wandy.If the Iceman catches Silva(neanderthal man)he will finish him or let him up and drop him again,rinse, lather,and repeat...

dude, come on, chuck does not jab. he might put his arm out there every now and then but thats not a jab....and his left hook is usually just a paw to bait someone to throw so he can throw the right. and its not a right cross either, its a lunging straight, not an overhand, just a lunging. and hands down his is the best in the world with that lunging right straight. he finds the button with it.

you said...

he side steps or back peddles so he can throw his counter but he sure doesnt turn and run as you say.

and as i said.....

.......don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that he running b/c he is scared. i think its been one of his strengths to avoid the takedowns and its not like he is running across the octagon, just a few steps b/c he doesn't want to get out of range of that lunging right counter.

look familiar????? i'm not trying to be an ass but you are arguing the same point i had already made.

lets also not forget the fact that chuck hasn't beat a decent striker in over three years. and that was allistair overreem early in his career. before that it was four years ago he beat vitor who had already started giving up on fights. the UFC has fed him a 43 yr. old at the end of his career twice, a 185lb ju-jitsu guy and a C level striker in vernon white since chuck beat tito. wandy has been winning tournaments against the top guys in the world and fighting some of the best heavyweights in the world as well. there a slight difference in competition here.

chuck has....great power - yes.....great precision - yes.....great handspeed - no!decent at best. great handspeed is ninja, vitor, baroni....etc... chuck is nowhere near those guys in speed. and yes, chuck has great kicks..... i never said he didn't...he was a champion kickboxer before his MMA days so obviously he has good kicks. my point in bringing up kicks was only that chuck hasn't fought anyone with the kicks of silva.

and how can you deny the famous open hand to the face that chuck utilizes? its exactly why he pokes people in the eye. its the one chink in his perverbial armor. there really is no denying this....its well documented and tainted some of his biggest wins.

and about the wrestling part.....its a mute point. there will be no wrestling in this fight. neither guy wants to go to the ground. they are going to stand in front of each other until somebody drops.

Post by **BlazeTSU** » Thu July 13th, 2006, 12:34 am

BTW, we are going to have to have an ATLANTA METAL UFC party for this card.

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TUF3 Finals tonight...

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