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Post by Strange » Thu November 17th, 2005, 2:27 pm

How do I come across? Funny, no. Intelligent, no again. A fucking idiot for taking the bait when I was trying to take the piss, probably. I actually thought the SSSSLLLLLAAAAAYYYYYYEEEEEEERRRRR comment was pretty funny. Matt mentioned us by name in a "Would rather not see us" fashion in our whorish self promotional thread, so I tried to react in a joking fashion...maybe the delivery would have come across better if I were in snakeskin spandex (with all due respect of course, "Up the Irons") but trust me, no one wants that.

Regarding what passes for PR on our site, I don't really deal with it. I guess this makes me a douche by association.

The "trying to do something with my life" comment was simply a statement in reply to what seemed to me at the time to be a "let's criticize something for the sake of criticizing it" mentality. I took the bait. You replied with the "shitty band" comment. Bravo. I am neither tortured nor do I even consider myself an artist, and don't plan on lording over anything though I don't really see how that comment implied that I do.

The "I wouldn't know. My bands are fucking awesome." comment was another attempt at humor. That said, when we play shows, people seem to enjoy it. When we play good shows, people go fucking ballistic. Over the years, this has given me perhaps an inflated sense of self worth with regards to my music. Yes, I invited criticism at virtually every turn in this post, but I decided that would be more fun than the more sterile "club; bands; price" approach...and it has been.

The "Knocking the dicks out of your mouth" line. Sorry, that's funny right there. I don't care who you are. "Homophobia vs political correctness; which does a greater disservice to humanity" is a debate for another thread.

Any publicity is good publicity. While not true in all cases is true in most.

Reprinting lyrics without permission. Please note that I never threatened legal action in any way. I merely pointed out that what you did is technically illegal. I am not of the frivelous lawsuit ilk. I have no desire to make our legal system function any less efficiently than it already does. Incidentally, the tone of your edited post about this is pure "Message Board Ass Clown Douche."

Now, regarding the "You'd never say this to my face" statement, I truly feel this to be true. You wouldn't. First of all you wouldn't call me a "wigger" because, my baggy trousers and enormous cock aside, it's simply not true. :D Now, if you were to say to me, in person, and in an even somewhat respectful tone that you didn't like my band, didn't want to hear my band, etc. I would either shrug it off with a laugh (I am Jack's complete lack of surprise) or reply with a good natured "well fuck you very much," depending on my mood at the time. There are plenty of people on this board who I know for a fact do not like one or both of my bands. Most of these people have told me as much, and I completely respect that. If, however, I'm giving you too much credit as to your social graces and you would actually say to my face "How is playing in a shitty band doing something with your life" odds are I would punch you in the face, making me (drumroll please) assault and battery dOode. I don't like this fact about myself too much, but if I've proven anything in this river of shit, it is that self control is not my strong suit. I would take your comment as a personal attack, and respond in kind. The chances of my reacting violently to such an attack increase significantly with alcohol and dramatically if that alcohol is tequilla. (Alcoholism - Metal/Rock and Roll cliche number 1. I'm really rackin em up.)

Extreme Music - Usually, this kind of flame war is instigated by someone who only considers whatever particular miniscule sub genre of Metal they listen to to be Metal. If I've misjudged you here, then I apologize. Honestly, I don't know or care which of these sub genres you or anyone else chooses to file us under. I will continue to write and play Metal as I see fit. I'm recording new material with both of my bands in December. Once complete, I'll submit the proper paperwork so the "Supreme Metal Council" and we'll see what they have to say on the matter. Hopefully this Hand Sign issue will be resolved by then so that they may give our application the proper attention.

And finally, you wouldn't want to see my band play with Slayer or Maiden. Dually noted. Should the opportunity ever arise, feel free to spend our set time buying beer or being Metal concert-folded arm-too cool for your band dOode. More accomplished local bands - More power to 'em. A lot of them are friends of mine who I'd eagerly support in such a scenario, and who I think would do the same for me. The more "Accomplished" my bands get, the more shit like this thread will be posted and the less time I'll have to deal with it. I take my Metal seriously as well, but I try not to take it or myself too seriously. If my "dillution" of the purity of Metal truly offends you then perhaps you take it a little too seriously. I actually like a few Metal bands that have elements of rap. Suicidal Tendencies (Waking the Dead, Join the Army), the first two Biohazard albums, Stuck Mojo, Sacred Reich, and I'm sure there are more but I'm wasting my proverbial breath. My point being that rap and metal have been mixed by what I consider to be respectable bands long before some bitter elitist coined the term "Nu (insert umlaut) Metal.

I do appreciate your taking the time to insult me more thoughtfully, and making some attempt to turn this shitstorm into a decent debate. I don't hate you either, life's too short. I definitely misjudged you to a degree, based primarily on your spelling and lack of ability to use punctuation, and probably got what I deserved as a result. I've wasted entirely too much time on this, but it's been fun. I'll be back and I look forward to arguing about other shit with you in the future. I'll be sure to leave you a floater in the toilet for the time being...or maybe an upper decker.

Have a nice fucking day,
Strange
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Post by Strange » Thu November 17th, 2005, 2:38 pm

Metalfreak wrote:holy crap this thread turned into a war zone! lol I saw you mentioned my sn in an earlier post...Slayer is something else that I want but that wasn't supposed to imply that I don't like your bands. I've seem both your bands at least once and it is true that I'm not a big fan of Package but I do like Prime Mover. and I'm not about to travel far to see any bands...Swayzes is as far as I'll go (unless someone else drives...) so I figured I'd agree with whoever posted Slayer.
No offense taken at all. SLAYER rules. This is a given.

Breakers is far away from everything (except my house) and they treat bands better than most venues. We'll see if this holds true with the new management.

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Post by holly » Thu November 17th, 2005, 3:24 pm

Death2all wrote:why do you hate breakers so much holly?
It's far as fuck away and there's no way to get there unless you're driving.
I really don't see how any of those shows can draw when it's that far out.

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Post by holly » Thu November 17th, 2005, 3:25 pm

Strange wrote:Blah blah blah.

Have a nice fucking day,
Strange
Goddamn.
Totally not reading all of that.

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Post by TheKshatriya » Thu November 17th, 2005, 3:27 pm

holly wrote:
Death2all wrote:why do you hate breakers so much holly?
It's far as fuck away and there's no way to get there unless you're driving.
I really don't see how any of those shows can draw when it's that far out.
They dont draw. Iv been there a few times and there hasnt been more than 40 people in the building, including the bands.

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Post by Death2all » Thu November 17th, 2005, 3:32 pm

wow so you don't get outside of 285 much, do you holly?
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Post by Death2all » Thu November 17th, 2005, 3:34 pm

Strange wrote:How do I come across? Funny, no. Intelligent, no again. A fucking idiot for taking the bait when I was trying to take the piss, probably. I actually thought the SSSSLLLLLAAAAAYYYYYYEEEEEEERRRRR comment was pretty funny. Matt mentioned us by name in a "Would rather not see us" fashion in our whorish self promotional thread, so I tried to react in a joking fashion...maybe the delivery would have come across better if I were in snakeskin spandex (with all due respect of course, "Up the Irons") but trust me, no one wants that.

Regarding what passes for PR on our site, I don't really deal with it. I guess this makes me a douche by association.

The "trying to do something with my life" comment was simply a statement in reply to what seemed to me at the time to be a "let's criticize something for the sake of criticizing it" mentality. I took the bait. You replied with the "shitty band" comment. Bravo. I am neither tortured nor do I even consider myself an artist, and don't plan on lording over anything though I don't really see how that comment implied that I do.

The "I wouldn't know. My bands are fucking awesome." comment was another attempt at humor. That said, when we play shows, people seem to enjoy it. When we play good shows, people go fucking ballistic. Over the years, this has given me perhaps an inflated sense of self worth with regards to my music. Yes, I invited criticism at virtually every turn in this post, but I decided that would be more fun than the more sterile "club; bands; price" approach...and it has been.

The "Knocking the dicks out of your mouth" line. Sorry, that's funny right there. I don't care who you are. "Homophobia vs political correctness; which does a greater disservice to humanity" is a debate for another thread.

Any publicity is good publicity. While not true in all cases is true in most.

Reprinting lyrics without permission. Please note that I never threatened legal action in any way. I merely pointed out that what you did is technically illegal. I am not of the frivelous lawsuit ilk. I have no desire to make our legal system function any less efficiently than it already does. Incidentally, the tone of your edited post about this is pure "Message Board Ass Clown Douche."

Now, regarding the "You'd never say this to my face" statement, I truly feel this to be true. You wouldn't. First of all you wouldn't call me a "wigger" because, my baggy trousers and enormous cock aside, it's simply not true. :D Now, if you were to say to me, in person, and in an even somewhat respectful tone that you didn't like my band, didn't want to hear my band, etc. I would either shrug it off with a laugh (I am Jack's complete lack of surprise) or reply with a good natured "well fuck you very much," depending on my mood at the time. There are plenty of people on this board who I know for a fact do not like one or both of my bands. Most of these people have told me as much, and I completely respect that. If, however, I'm giving you too much credit as to your social graces and you would actually say to my face "How is playing in a shitty band doing something with your life" odds are I would punch you in the face, making me (drumroll please) assault and battery dOode. I don't like this fact about myself too much, but if I've proven anything in this river of shit, it is that self control is not my strong suit. I would take your comment as a personal attack, and respond in kind. The chances of my reacting violently to such an attack increase significantly with alcohol and dramatically if that alcohol is tequilla. (Alcoholism - Metal/Rock and Roll cliche number 1. I'm really rackin em up.)

Extreme Music - Usually, this kind of flame war is instigated by someone who only considers whatever particular miniscule sub genre of Metal they listen to to be Metal. If I've misjudged you here, then I apologize. Honestly, I don't know or care which of these sub genres you or anyone else chooses to file us under. I will continue to write and play Metal as I see fit. I'm recording new material with both of my bands in December. Once complete, I'll submit the proper paperwork so the "Supreme Metal Council" and we'll see what they have to say on the matter. Hopefully this Hand Sign issue will be resolved by then so that they may give our application the proper attention.

And finally, you wouldn't want to see my band play with Slayer or Maiden. Dually noted. Should the opportunity ever arise, feel free to spend our set time buying beer or being Metal concert-folded arm-too cool for your band dOode. More accomplished local bands - More power to 'em. A lot of them are friends of mine who I'd eagerly support in such a scenario, and who I think would do the same for me. The more "Accomplished" my bands get, the more shit like this thread will be posted and the less time I'll have to deal with it. I take my Metal seriously as well, but I try not to take it or myself too seriously. If my "dillution" of the purity of Metal truly offends you then perhaps you take it a little too seriously. I actually like a few Metal bands that have elements of rap. Suicidal Tendencies (Waking the Dead, Join the Army), the first two Biohazard albums, Stuck Mojo, Sacred Reich, and I'm sure there are more but I'm wasting my proverbial breath. My point being that rap and metal have been mixed by what I consider to be respectable bands long before some bitter elitist coined the term "Nu (insert umlaut) Metal.

I do appreciate your taking the time to insult me more thoughtfully, and making some attempt to turn this shitstorm into a decent debate. I don't hate you either, life's too short. I definitely misjudged you to a degree, based primarily on your spelling and lack of ability to use punctuation, and probably got what I deserved as a result. I've wasted entirely too much time on this, but it's been fun. I'll be back and I look forward to arguing about other shit with you in the future. I'll be sure to leave you a floater in the toilet for the time being...or maybe an upper decker.

Have a nice fucking day,
Strange
Well said Alan
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Post by Strange » Thu November 17th, 2005, 3:36 pm

TheKshatriya wrote:
holly wrote:
Death2all wrote:why do you hate breakers so much holly?
It's far as fuck away and there's no way to get there unless you're driving.
I really don't see how any of those shows can draw when it's that far out.
They dont draw. Iv been there a few times and there hasnt been more than 40 people in the building, including the bands.
It's on the southside, so some of the bands from the southside draw pretty well there. Others, not so much.

Kinda like how the Darkside is empty unless the band playing there is from Marietta.

I've seen good crowds there, but I'm usually seeing double by the end of the night so I'm a bad person to ask.
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Post by Mike » Thu November 17th, 2005, 4:45 pm

Since I don't feel like posting a Treatise of Shit Talking and Metal Cliches, i'll comment on the venues thing.

Venues outside of 285 are pointless. They're only convenient to those that are near them.
Atlanta is obviously the central location for all of the suburbs around it.
Someone that lives on the southside is not going to do all the way up to Marietta just for a show. Especially a local one. Swayze's has the added advantage of the Deathgasm store, the only of it's kind in Georgia (i'm making an assumption). Vice versa with affluent :roll: North Fulton/East Cobb metalheads. Going to Breakers sucks ass.

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Post by andyb » Thu November 17th, 2005, 4:47 pm

breakers is a kick ass club, the managment cant be matched by anyone. and it gets a bad rap for being "so far out there", when its only about 30 minutes from downtown. i understand if you dont drive holly, this isnt a personal attack. i just wish the club would do better because its actually a very cool place. its bigger than and other local club. has as good of a stage as the masq (which is easily one of the shittiest clubs) and has a very decent sound system. my best wishes to all of them.
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Post by AmoebicDysentery » Thu November 17th, 2005, 4:56 pm

I live in East Cobb and I've gone to lots of local shows at breakers. You know why? Cause I'm that fucking metal. Of course I'd rather drive 10 minutes to Swayzes, but if it's a friday or saturday night I'll take the drive instead of sitting at home watching Queer Eye for the Straight Guy or some shit. You guys are a bunch of pansies! :*(

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Post by Strange » Thu November 17th, 2005, 4:57 pm

andyb wrote:breakers is a kick ass club, the managment cant be matched by anyone. and it gets a bad rap for being "so far out there", when its only about 30 minutes from downtown. i understand if you dont drive holly, this isnt a personal attack. i just wish the club would do better because its actually a very cool place. its bigger than and other local club. has as good of a stage as the masq (which is easily one of the shittiest clubs) and has a very decent sound system. my best wishes to all of them.
The new stage is nice. Brian and Rodney did a lot of work on that place. I've got a lot of respect for those guys for what they tried so hard to do. And it was nice to occasionally be treated like a human being. I really hope the new management follows suit. The location does suck, but that's Clayton County for you. Another few years the whole south side will be a demilitarized zone.

On the bright side, since they're not in Atlanta, they can stay open as late as they'd like. I can't even imagine trying to run a club inside city limits. Everything the Atlanta City Council does seems to be intentionally designed to impair the city's nightlife. "1984 has passed, forget about Big Brother. Welcome to [Atlanta] where the government's your mother!"
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Post by Death2all » Thu November 17th, 2005, 5:40 pm

AmoebicDysentery wrote:I live in East Cobb and I've gone to lots of local shows at breakers. You know why? Cause I'm that fucking metal. Of course I'd rather drive 10 minutes to Swayzes, but if it's a friday or saturday night I'll take the drive instead of sitting at home watching Queer Eye for the Straight Guy or some shit. You guys are a bunch of pansies! :*(
Anyone that complains about a long drive is a pussy. I mean come on wide spread panic has people that follow them around the globe. Just like greatful dead and there not even metal. I understand holly situation but damn you have got to have a few friends with cars well assuming you have friends holly.
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Post by donny » Thu November 17th, 2005, 8:18 pm

Death2all wrote:
AmoebicDysentery wrote:I live in East Cobb and I've gone to lots of local shows at breakers. You know why? Cause I'm that fucking metal. Of course I'd rather drive 10 minutes to Swayzes, but if it's a friday or saturday night I'll take the drive instead of sitting at home watching Queer Eye for the Straight Guy or some shit. You guys are a bunch of pansies! :*(
Anyone that complains about a long drive is a pussy. I mean come on wide spread panic has people that follow them around the globe. Just like greatful dead and there not even metal. I understand holly situation but damn you have got to have a few friends with cars well assuming you have friends holly.
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Post by donny » Thu November 17th, 2005, 8:47 pm

Strange wrote:How do I come across? Funny, no. Intelligent, no again. A fucking idiot for taking the bait when I was trying to take the piss, probably. I actually thought the SSSSLLLLLAAAAAYYYYYYEEEEEEERRRRR comment was pretty funny. Matt mentioned us by name in a "Would rather not see us" fashion in our whorish self promotional thread, so I tried to react in a joking fashion...maybe the delivery would have come across better if I were in snakeskin spandex (with all due respect of course, "Up the Irons") but trust me, no one wants that.

Regarding what passes for PR on our site, I don't really deal with it. I guess this makes me a douche by association.

The "trying to do something with my life" comment was simply a statement in reply to what seemed to me at the time to be a "let's criticize something for the sake of criticizing it" mentality. I took the bait. You replied with the "shitty band" comment. Bravo. I am neither tortured nor do I even consider myself an artist, and don't plan on lording over anything though I don't really see how that comment implied that I do.

The "I wouldn't know. My bands are fucking awesome." comment was another attempt at humor. That said, when we play shows, people seem to enjoy it. When we play good shows, people go fucking ballistic. Over the years, this has given me perhaps an inflated sense of self worth with regards to my music. Yes, I invited criticism at virtually every turn in this post, but I decided that would be more fun than the more sterile "club; bands; price" approach...and it has been.

The "Knocking the dicks out of your mouth" line. Sorry, that's funny right there. I don't care who you are. "Homophobia vs political correctness; which does a greater disservice to humanity" is a debate for another thread.

Any publicity is good publicity. While not true in all cases is true in most.

Reprinting lyrics without permission. Please note that I never threatened legal action in any way. I merely pointed out that what you did is technically illegal. I am not of the frivelous lawsuit ilk. I have no desire to make our legal system function any less efficiently than it already does. Incidentally, the tone of your edited post about this is pure "Message Board Ass Clown Douche."

Now, regarding the "You'd never say this to my face" statement, I truly feel this to be true. You wouldn't. First of all you wouldn't call me a "wigger" because, my baggy trousers and enormous cock aside, it's simply not true. :D Now, if you were to say to me, in person, and in an even somewhat respectful tone that you didn't like my band, didn't want to hear my band, etc. I would either shrug it off with a laugh (I am Jack's complete lack of surprise) or reply with a good natured "well fuck you very much," depending on my mood at the time. There are plenty of people on this board who I know for a fact do not like one or both of my bands. Most of these people have told me as much, and I completely respect that. If, however, I'm giving you too much credit as to your social graces and you would actually say to my face "How is playing in a shitty band doing something with your life" odds are I would punch you in the face, making me (drumroll please) assault and battery dOode. I don't like this fact about myself too much, but if I've proven anything in this river of shit, it is that self control is not my strong suit. I would take your comment as a personal attack, and respond in kind. The chances of my reacting violently to such an attack increase significantly with alcohol and dramatically if that alcohol is tequilla. (Alcoholism - Metal/Rock and Roll cliche number 1. I'm really rackin em up.)

Extreme Music - Usually, this kind of flame war is instigated by someone who only considers whatever particular miniscule sub genre of Metal they listen to to be Metal. If I've misjudged you here, then I apologize. Honestly, I don't know or care which of these sub genres you or anyone else chooses to file us under. I will continue to write and play Metal as I see fit. I'm recording new material with both of my bands in December. Once complete, I'll submit the proper paperwork so the "Supreme Metal Council" and we'll see what they have to say on the matter. Hopefully this Hand Sign issue will be resolved by then so that they may give our application the proper attention.

And finally, you wouldn't want to see my band play with Slayer or Maiden. Dually noted. Should the opportunity ever arise, feel free to spend our set time buying beer or being Metal concert-folded arm-too cool for your band dOode. More accomplished local bands - More power to 'em. A lot of them are friends of mine who I'd eagerly support in such a scenario, and who I think would do the same for me. The more "Accomplished" my bands get, the more shit like this thread will be posted and the less time I'll have to deal with it. I take my Metal seriously as well, but I try not to take it or myself too seriously. If my "dillution" of the purity of Metal truly offends you then perhaps you take it a little too seriously. I actually like a few Metal bands that have elements of rap. Suicidal Tendencies (Waking the Dead, Join the Army), the first two Biohazard albums, Stuck Mojo, Sacred Reich, and I'm sure there are more but I'm wasting my proverbial breath. My point being that rap and metal have been mixed by what I consider to be respectable bands long before some bitter elitist coined the term "Nu (insert umlaut) Metal.

I do appreciate your taking the time to insult me more thoughtfully, and making some attempt to turn this shitstorm into a decent debate. I don't hate you either, life's too short. I definitely misjudged you to a degree, based primarily on your spelling and lack of ability to use punctuation, and probably got what I deserved as a result. I've wasted entirely too much time on this, but it's been fun. I'll be back and I look forward to arguing about other shit with you in the future. I'll be sure to leave you a floater in the toilet for the time being...or maybe an upper decker.

Have a nice fucking day,
Strange
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