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Post by Holiday Rambler » Thu July 20th, 2006, 8:25 am

Mike wrote:Hezbollah is a terrorist group.
Hezbollah is considered a terrorist organization by Israel,[16] the United States,[17] the United Kingdom,[18] and Canada.[19] The European Union does not list Hezbollah as a "terrorist organization", but does list Imad Mugniyah,[20] Hezbollah's senior Intelligence officer, as a terrorist. The EU also supports measures aimed at disarming the group.[21]

Just saying, consider the source.

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Post by Death2all » Thu July 20th, 2006, 8:52 am

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Post by Death2all » Thu July 20th, 2006, 9:41 am

offer me a better solution. i realize my statement was simple, but the fake redneck quote is completely unnecessary. some people just need to be taken out and that's the only way to stop them. islamic terrorist extremists are a great example. they don't want peace, they want us destroyed. until the world is an islamic state they won't be satisfied. this isn't a majority of muslims (i hope) but until muslims stand up to the extremists in their religion the violence will continue.
Still no one has offered a solution.
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Post by lifesadream » Thu July 20th, 2006, 10:52 am

Does The Israeli military know where the 2 soldiers are? They have bombed the crap out of Lebanon . As of last night 300 dead, 1000 wounded, 500000 homeless. That sounds like terrorism to me. If they cared about the 2 soldiers they would try to find them not bomb everything in sight knowing they might have already killed them which might be the case.

You want a solution how about they start by giving back the land they stole in 1948. The UN was very generous in 1947 by giving them a lot of land even though they were the minority. They stole land in 1948 and stole more in 1967. They agreed to give back the land they took from the Palestinians in 1967 but have never done so. I know they have offered to give back some land but a country needs a port and if the only area on the water is a getto area-the gaza strip why would anyone agree to acepting that. Its funny how before Israel kept taking and taking land there was peace between Palestine,Jews and Christians. Israel killed 7 canadians in their attack in Lebanon does that mean Canada has a right to attack Israel? no it does not. Israel has a right to get rid of terrorist groups but by acting as a terrorist nation by attacking lighthouses,ambulences,apartment buildings and everything else they are attacking that has nothing to do with Hezzbollah.

But what I am concerned about the most is how our President has done nothing as usual and congress has shown that they are bought and paid for by the Israeli lobby. You can not deny that Israel is the aggressor here and has overstepped their boundries by every account. They are trying to start ww3 and our soldiers in Iraq are sitting there, 130000 . We have a weak president and a weak administration and a bought and paid for congress who are making a huge mistake by saying we are all Israeli's now in this fight. I do not want to be apart of this fight and this war. Every nation has condened Israel except for the US and I guess Great Britian.
here is a little quote
"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it." Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.

Sounds pretty straight forward to me.
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Post by Death2all » Thu July 20th, 2006, 11:25 am

You are playing right into the hands of Hezbollah. Israel announced it's state hood back in May 14 1946. The Arabs never recognized Israel as a state and most still don't. The fact is that is the jews land and shouldn't been given to anyone I am supporting the Jews in every way. The hooks are in there jaws and god is bringing them in for the world to see. I don't give a shit what your opinion is I believe in the bible and what it stands for. I love the fact there are people like you and that you are completely helpless to do a fucking thing about it. So keep on crying and turning your back to the lord. Call me what you will but you will not change my view. I welcome Ezekiels war to me these are facts god is infallible science isn't.
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Post by lifesadream » Thu July 20th, 2006, 11:55 am

God told him to do it I guess.

History shows Israel was formed out of terrorism. Their terrorism on Great Britian to drive them out of Palestine. You know absolutly nothing about history. You watch Fox and listen to WGST, that explains your narrowminded view on the world. I hope when WW3 hits you enlist since you are so gung ho on war. You and every Neo-Con who supports all out war should get your enlistment form filled out and go and fight. But no neocons will. They all sit in their 3 piece suits and cast judgement to invade country after country but have never served a day in their life in the military and that includes all the suits in the white house and pentagon.
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Post by Holiday Rambler » Thu July 20th, 2006, 12:52 pm

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... ml?cnn=yes

The YouTube War

American soldiers are telling their story of the Iraq war in homemade videos. And the picture isn't any brighter

By ANA MARIE COX

The National Guardsman in the frame looks grim. His bunkmates are cutting up a bit, clowning for the camera. The cameraman tries to coax some action out the unwilling documentary subject, who refuses: "I'm not supposed to talk to the media," he says. You can hear the insult's sting in the cameraman's shouted protest: "I'm not the media! I'm not the media!" The sharp denial reflects a key collateral campaign in the Iraq war: to keep soldiers strictly on message.

But there's no question that the soldier behind the camera in "The War Tapes" is part of this war's media. Just as Vietnam had been America's first "living-room war," spilling carnage in dinnertime news broadcasts, so is the Iraq conflict emerging as the first YouTube war. Growing up in a world where they can swap MP3s as well as intimate details about their lives via MySpace or I_LOVE_ZUCKERPENIS, American soldiers are swapping their Iraq experience as well. There's a byte-enabled intimacy to "The War Tapes," the film that bills itself as the first documentary about the war filmed by those fighting it. Critics of the mainstream media's war coverage might hope that the soldier's unmediated view would be a more positive one. Vice President Cheney complained last March that the public's dwindling support for the war was due to the "perception that what's newsworthy is the car bomb in Baghdad," rather than what success has been had "in terms of making progress towards rebuilding Iraq." Talk show host Laura Ingraham encouraged those covering Iraq to "talk to those soldiers on the ground" in order to get a sense of all the good things happening there that should be "celebrated." By that logic, putting cameras in the hands of those soldiers on the ground should provide enough celebration for an "Up with Iraq" musical.

There's music in a lot of the soldiers' videos, but precious little uplift. In "The War Tapes," one soldier/auteur complains frequently about the risks he and his comrades take to protect the property of the Halliburton subsidiary subcontracted to feed the troops: "Why the f--- am I sitting out here guarding a truck full of cheesecake?" he laments. After another guardsman supplies a Bush Administration-approved justification for their presence (freedom and democracy for the Iraqi people, stability in the Middle East), the cameraman asks, "tell me how you really feel." Deadpan, he continues: "After that happens, maybe we can buy everybody in the world a puppy."

Videos uploaded to the Internet by soldiers themselves depict, if anything, an even grimmer reality. Earlier this summer, the Council on American-Islamic Relations stoked a minor controversy over the video "Hadji Girl," which featured a uniformed Marine singing about falling in love with an Iraqi girl only to be ambushed by her family, after which he "hid behind the TV/ And I locked and loaded my M-16/ And I blew those little f___ers to eternity." Many defended "Hadji Girl" as gallows humor, but on the web there is no shortage of just plain gallows, either. A search for "Iraq" and "combat" at Ogrish.com or YouTube.com will field dozens of semi-pro snuff films of varying degrees of gore. Many are set to music ? power ballads, speed metal, and in one case, an ironic lounge-act crooner.

Raised on Nintendo and Arnold Schwarzenegger movies, the troops fighting this war want to experience the kind of battle promised to them by Splinter Cell and Total Recall. The videos they make are an attempt to salvage a war whose coherence crumbled soon after Saddam's statue fell. However, while they offer the credibility of an unvarnished image, they lack any meaningful context of what came before and after the clip, or what's happening outside the frame. One veteran described them to the Wall Street Journal as "kind of like the ESPN highlight reels ? the music is pumping and everyone was running around." Another soldier told the Los Angeles Times, "If I had a copy of it, and MTV called, I'd sell it." He may yet get a chance. MTV is airing a special ? "Iraq Uploaded" ? about these homemade documentaries July 21.

The special closes a loop in pop culture, since these clips are essentially music videos. Traditionally, historians have explained soldiers' documentary efforts ? letters home, snapshots ? as an attempt to force a narrative onto a situation that's out of control. But these videos don't even try to tell a story. They don't need a plot. Highlight reels at least give it a point: Blow stuff up.

If these dispatches lack a coherent explanation for why the bombs are going off, recall that the Bush Administration has been rather cagey about that, too. They have their own highlight reel, after all: A montage of 9/11, Colin Powell holding up a vial of anthrax, Zarqawi's death mask presented in a gilt frame on a curtained stage. There's some flashes of mortar fire, but this edit contains no footage of dead soldiers or even coffins, no images of the abuse of detainees.

However, video is not the only medium, or the only way we remember. In "Combat Diary," a returning Marine talks about having to drink himself into a stupor every night in order to sleep. Making a music video out of the horror of war won't keep the images from haunting your dreams.

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Post by Death2all » Thu July 20th, 2006, 1:53 pm

Does The Israeli military know where the 2 soldiers are? They have bombed the crap out of Lebanon . As of last night 300 dead, 1000 wounded, 500000 homeless. That sounds like terrorism to me. If they cared about the 2 soldiers they would try to find them not bomb everything in sight knowing they might have already killed them which might be the case.

You want a solution how about they start by giving back the land they stole in 1948. The UN was very generous in 1947 by giving them a lot of land even though they were the minority. They stole land in 1948 and stole more in 1967. They agreed to give back the land they took from the Palestinians in 1967 but have never done so. I know they have offered to give back some land but a country needs a port and if the only area on the water is a getto area-the gaza strip why would anyone agree to acepting that. Its funny how before Israel kept taking and taking land there was peace between Palestine,Jews and Christians. Israel killed 7 canadians in their attack in Lebanon does that mean Canada has a right to attack Israel? no it does not. Israel has a right to get rid of terrorist groups but by acting as a terrorist nation by attacking lighthouses,ambulences,apartment buildings and everything else they are attacking that has nothing to do with Hezzbollah.

But what I am concerned about the most is how our President has done nothing as usual and congress has shown that they are bought and paid for by the Israeli lobby. You can not deny that Israel is the aggressor here and has overstepped their boundries by every account. They are trying to start ww3 and our soldiers in Iraq are sitting there, 130000 . We have a weak president and a weak administration and a bought and paid for congress who are making a huge mistake by saying we are all Israeli's now in this fight. I do not want to be apart of this fight and this war. Every nation has condened Israel except for the US and I guess Great Britian.
here is a little quote
"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it." Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.

Sounds pretty straight forward to me.
The Jewish exodus from Arab lands refers to the 20th century emigration of Jews, primarily of Sephardi and Mizrahi background, from majority Arab lands. Typically, this emigration followed documentable discrimination, harassment, persecution, and financial confiscation on the part of the majority population and/or government agencies. Approximately two-thirds of affected Jews emigrated to the modern State of Israel; other common refuge destinations included the United States, Canada and France. Disruption overall was significant: the ancestors of many Jews had resided within Arab lands for centuries before the advent and spread of Islam in the seventh century CE. The ancestors of others had immigrated in later centuries. Previously sporadic, Jewish emigration from Arab lands accelerated following the establishment of Israel in 1948. The process accelerated as Arab nations under French, British and Italian colonial rule or protection gained independence. Further Arab-Israeli wars were sustained by, and in turn exacerbated, anti-Jewish sentiment within the various Arab-majority states. Within a few years after the Six Day War there were only remnants of Jewish communities left in most Arab lands.

Many, but by no means all, writers on the topic regard the Jewish exodus from Arab lands as a historical parallel to the Palestinian exodus during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and the Six-Day War. Jews in Arabs lands have been reduced by more than 99% since 1948 while the Arab population of Israel has grown larger than its 1948 base.

Excluding the region of Palestine, and omitting the Biblical account of the Jews' slavery in Egypt, Jews have lived in what are now Arab states at least since the Babylonian captivity (597 BCE), about 2,600 years ago.

After the conquest of these lands by Arab Muslims, Jews, along with Christians and Zoroastrians, typically had the legal status of dhimmi. As such, they were entitled to limited rights, tolerance, and protection, on the condition they pay a special poll tax (the "jizya"), which exempted them from military service, and also from payment of the Zakat alms tax required of Muslims. As dhimmi, Jews were typically subjected to several restrictions, the application and severity of which varied by time and place: residency in segregated quarters, obligation to wear distinctive clothing, public subservience to Muslims, prohibitions against proselytizing and marrying Muslim women, and limited access to the legal systems. Some Jews sometimes attained high positions in government, notably as viziers and physicians. Jewish communities, like Christian ones, were typically constituted as semi-autonomous entities managed by their own laws and leadership, who carried the responsibility for the community towards the Muslim rulers. Taxes and fines levied on them were collective in nature.

In 1945 there were between 758,000 and 866,000 Jews (see table below) living in communities throughout the Arab world. Today, there are fewer than 8,000. In some Arab states, such as Libya (which was once around 3 % Jewish), the Jewish community no longer exists; in other Arab countries, only a few hundred Jews remain.

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Post by lifesadream » Thu July 20th, 2006, 2:06 pm

Sorry man,
Israel stole the land from Palenstine. You can spin it anyway you want. In 1850 Jews made up 5% of the population when the Zionist movement made its way to the land of Palestinein the late 1800's. They went there for the purpose of taking the land and creating a Jewish state which in 1948 they named it Israel. At the time of the UN granting them their wish they were giving 55 % of the land that was formally Palestine but only made up 30 % of the population.The land was Palestines which was controlled to an extent by Great Britan. The Zionist movement attacked through terrorism Great Britian to drive them out and create a Jewish state. They stole more land in the 1948 war giving them 78 % of the land,and more in 1967. What you have written is what they call plagerism. They are not your own worlds. The difference between me and you is you are using one sorce to get your info. I use 12 to 15 and sometimes even more to get myself educated.

Listen like I said if you are so gung ho over bombing women and children in Lebanon and destroying whats left of the Palestine people, go pack your bags and go fight and if think WW3 is a great thing like all the Neo-Con think tanks sign the enlistment form and join up and fight. Every major military branch has an enlistment form on their website. Enlist if you think its great that thousands of our men and women need to die for lies by our administration and thousands more of inocent civilians must die cause of Israels aggression go for it.
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Post by lifesadream » Thu July 20th, 2006, 2:08 pm

And again here is a little quote if you are wondering why most of Congress and the Bush administration is not saying a word


"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it." Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
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Post by Death2all » Thu July 20th, 2006, 2:39 pm

Hezbollah uses the civilian casualties to its advantage. Hezbollah is launching and storing rockets in what is the equivalent to American housing subdivisions. Yeah your going to have a lot of civilian casualties if your lunching your rockets from schools and Hospitals areas. Not to mention the fact that a lot of these people themselves look like civilians.
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Post by lifesadream » Thu July 20th, 2006, 2:50 pm

Death2all wrote:Hezbollah uses the civilian casualties to its advantage. Hezbollah is launching and storing rockets in what is the equivalent to American housing subdivisions. Yeah your going to have a lot of civilian casualties if your lunching your rockets from schools and Hospitals areas. Not to mention the fact that a lot of these people themselves look like civilians.
Look I agree about Hezbollah , Lebanon would be a lot better without them there. Israel is being overally agressive, they have overreacted to the point that not only is it illegal what they are doing its immoral . I wanted really to end this discussion with you but you seem to think so little of women and children and innocent people who are nowhere where Hezbollah is. They are bombing anything and everything. The country will be destroyed by the time they are done. Today they have been condemed by the UN for what they are doing to Lebanon.
Ask yourself a question why and when was Hezbollah created?
Who created Hamas? Why was it created? and if you say to terrorize Israel and wipe the Jews from the planet you are wrong so I dont even want to hear that crap. 2 billion dollars in damage over 300 dead, 1000 wounded and 500000 homeless and all you and all the supporters of real aggression say is Israel has a right to defend itself and Hezbollah Hezbollah Hezbollah, terrorism, Hezbollah, Hamas, Israel right to defend itself. Lebanon is the victim here , noone else, until we are dragged into WW3 then they will make it our problem which is sad.
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Post by Mike » Thu July 20th, 2006, 3:06 pm

Holiday Rambler wrote:
Mike wrote:Hezbollah is a terrorist group.
Hezbollah is considered a terrorist organization by Israel,[16] the United States,[17] the United Kingdom,[18] and Canada.[19] The European Union does not list Hezbollah as a "terrorist organization", but does list Imad Mugniyah,[20] Hezbollah's senior Intelligence officer, as a terrorist. The EU also supports measures aimed at disarming the group.[21]

Just saying, consider the source.
I'm aware of that. I was basing it on the fact that they were created to subvert the Israeli government through guerilla warfare.
And the fact that the EU lists a member of the group a terrorist but not the whole organization is political in nature.
At the very least they are a private army that does not follow the rules of their own government and is allied to a foreign power(Iran, Syria). This foreign power happens to call for the destruction of Israel and encourags the group to attack Israel.
What should be done with Hezbollah?
I'm serious; not being an asshole.

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Post by Holiday Rambler » Thu July 20th, 2006, 3:24 pm

Mike wrote:What should be done with Hezbollah?
I'm serious; not being an asshole.
In all reality, I don't know and I don't care. As stated earlier, I agree that the entire Mideast is a self-supporting quagmire of religious zealotry and intolerance. I don't support my tax dollars being used for any kind of aid, support or military operation in the area. I do not support our general lust for oil in that region or any other. I think our current investment in Israel and Iraq is a shameful and transparent waste of American resources that could be better spent domestically.

As I also said earlier, I think that infighting and ethnic skirmishes are a human inevitability, and especially so in that region of the world. My opinion is to let nations be nations and leave the endless warfare to those who produce it.

And I'm not in any way suggesting that I agree with our government's stance in any other area of the world, just this particular corner of the globe.

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