Slayer / Marilyn Manson show? 7/28

[Vince]

I'm going to disagree with you. Sonata Arctica may be cheesy, yes, but such is the nature of power metal. As far as pulling off the style of music that they play, they pull if off nearly flawlessly, and the singer has one of the best vocal ranges of any in the genre.

[BlackRoija]

Sonata Arctica needs to find a new singer. I don't care if he has any range when it sounds like garbage. His falsetto is like nails scratching on the chalkboard. His accent is also WAY too thick. I know he's from Finland but that doesn't make his singing any better. Sonata Arctica would be a passable band if they got a new singer, greatly reduced the keyboardist's role in the band, lost the overwhelming level of cheesiness that plagues every song, and actually learned how to write more than one or two decent songs. The band is dangerously close to being borderline pop.

[Vince]

Dangerously close to borderline pop? Uhhhhh..... news flash dude, Sonata Arctica IS pop music in Finland.

[BlackRoija]

Thanks for supporting my opinion.

[Vince]

Thanks for supporting my opinion.

I don't support your opinion. The guy can sing.

[Blarg!]

back to slayer.


Old slayer 9/10 (even whilelisning to it now adays)

new slayer 2/10 (complete shit)


and the fact that they are playing with marilyn manson now shows that they are even more willing to do anything to make money

[Vince]

Would you rather have new Slayer, with the same members, still playing heavy songs...

or the new metallica, with new members, playing shitty songs.


my point exactly.

[Knucklehead]

....whatever. but in the world of metal, especially metal back in '83, there was no media hype to be found(that came later in the decade). bands like slayer and metallica were basically doing their own spins of NWOBHM which was much more intense and aggressive.......and very much underground. therefore giving legitimacy to their accomplishments b/c they actually had to do all the work. Slayer had no media catalyst to jumpstart their legacy. they built their own legacy and solidified themselves as legends in the metal community by putting out the most kickass albums of their generation that still kick the shit out of anything that comes out today.

This is all very true. There was a tape-trading community back then, which I wasn't really involved in, and a few magazines devoted to the new heavy metal. I remember Metal Mania as the best at the time. My friends and I all felt like we had discovered something that no one else knew about. And, of course, there was no media coverage. We laughed that Twisted Sister was being targeted by the PMRC, because they were so safe.

I think Slayer has stood the test of time the best of the original "Four Horseman of Speed Metal." I listened to a whole lot of Metallica then, some Megadeth, a little Anthrax, and even less Slayer. Slayer was just too extreme for me, at the time.

Granted, I lost interest in Megadeth after "So Far, So Good ..." and in Anthrax with "Persistance of Time." When I re-discovered metal a couple of years back, I immediately got out the old Metallica albums, and eventually dug out Slayer. Maybe its because of everything that has come since, but Kill 'Em All and Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets are still good, but they don't really hit me the same way. Slayer is completely different. Those first four albums, and particularly South of Heavan, still sound fantastic to me. They make me want to burn cars now, and not Metallica's first four long players. Go figure.

I have to say, I'm not sure what to think about Slayer playing with Manson.

[Blarg!]

Would you rather have new Slayer, with the same members, still playing heavy songs...

or the new metallica, with new members, playing shitty songs.


my point exactly.

Luckly I dont have to choose either!

[BlackRoija]

Thanks for supporting my opinion.

I don't support your opinion. The guy can sing.

Yeah. Badly.

[Brian]

Well, besides agreeing with everything that Blaze said, I have to add that nothing, repeat NOTHING in popular music today will ever be legendary. (Okay, MAYBE Outkast)

I'm not so sure about that. Legendary doesn't always mean good. Nirvana is legendary, but their music sucks. They're incredibly influential but they wrote some pretty bad music. I can see bands like Korn still being relevant 20 years from now, unfortunately.

On the plus side of things though, I can also see bands like Tool and 311 being called "legendary" in a few decades. Not all popular music is total shit, just 98% of it.

[BlackRoija]

Yeah, Brian gets it.

Also high-5 for having the best taste of all the Wrekage DJs.

[AmoebicDysentery]

I'm not so sure about that. Legendary doesn't always mean good. Nirvana is legendary, but their music sucks. They're incredibly influential but they wrote some pretty bad music. I can see bands like Korn still being relevant 20 years from now, unfortunately.

On the plus side of things though, I can also see bands like Tool and 311 being called "legendary" in a few decades. Not all popular music is total shit, just 98% of it.

I don't mean to sidetrack this thread even further, but, if you haven't heard it...listen to Nirvana's In Utero album, or at least maybe give it another spin. The songs are catchy and heavy as hell (for the most part). Dave Grohl's drumming is absolutely pounding and Steve Albini's production captures it perfectly. That was their last album...looking back it's incredible to me (especially now) that a band so hugely popular as them could make an album so raw in the PEAK of their popularity. I listened to this nonstop in my walkman when it came out and I still think it rules.

[Strange]

Well, besides agreeing with everything that Blaze said, I have to add that nothing, repeat NOTHING in popular music today will ever be legendary. (Okay, MAYBE Outkast)

I'm not so sure about that. Legendary doesn't always mean good. Nirvana is legendary, but their music sucks. They're incredibly influential but they wrote some pretty bad music. I can see bands like Korn still being relevant 20 years from now, unfortunately.

On the plus side of things though, I can also see bands like Tool and 311 being called "legendary" in a few decades. Not all popular music is total shit, just 98% of it.

I'll give you that. Nirvana will stand the test of time. And hey, nothing shows committment to legend status quite like blowing your brains out with a shotgun. ("Sure, it's a great trick, but I can only do it once." Daffy Duck) But I don't consider them current. They are part of a long dead musical movement that was kinda mislabeled as a movement to begin with.

Tool probably will resound as legendary as well. Creativity and innovation go a long way.

311...we'll see. Same goes for the Chilli Peppers. Perhaps Beck and Weezer as well. But even if every single one of these bands make it to the point of still being listened to when my kids are teenagers/young adults, that's 7 bands out of a glut of musical output from more bands than I can count, most of which adding up to the musical equivalent of uncooked tofu. I kinda forgot my point...I just basically hate commercial radio music.

[Blarg!]

Well, besides agreeing with everything that Blaze said, I have to add that nothing, repeat NOTHING in popular music today will ever be legendary. (Okay, MAYBE Outkast)

I'm not so sure about that. Legendary doesn't always mean good. Nirvana is legendary, but their music sucks. They're incredibly influential but they wrote some pretty bad music. I can see bands like Korn still being relevant 20 years from now, unfortunately.

On the plus side of things though, I can also see bands like Tool and 311 being called "legendary" in a few decades. Not all popular music is total shit, just 98% of it.

I'll give you that. Nirvana will stand the test of time. And hey, nothing shows committment to legend status quite like blowing your brains out with a shotgun. ("Sure, it's a great trick, but I can only do it once." Daffy Duck) But I don't consider them current. They are part of a long dead musical movement that was kinda mislabeled as a movement to begin with.

Tool probably will resound as legendary as well. Creativity and innovation go a long way.

311...we'll see. Same goes for the Chilli Peppers. Perhaps Beck and Weezer as well. But even if every single one of these bands make it to the point of still being listened to when my kids are teenagers/young adults, that's 7 bands out of a glut of musical output from more bands than I can count, most of which adding up to the musical equivalent of uncooked tofu. I kinda forgot my point...I just basically hate commercial radio music.

Nirvana..The music sucks,its pretty much just cobain trying to play punk,but not having the musical ability,the only good grunge band are the melvins. cobain was also a spoiled brat,he bitched about being famous! he was fucking rich and he shot himself because of it?? yeah right,everybody knows he loved being famous and rich,he blew his brians out because he was on herion. anyways..back on subject.