We need a metro-area metal venue

[Blarg!]

Okay if Atlanta's such a great metal scene, then why is there no Classic Metalfest here? Why is there no Powermad? Because people just don't get into that stuff here. There's a much better appreciation for good metal in places like Chicago and Baltimore. That's why Cauldron Born (one of the most talented bands in recent years, in my opinion) had people come to see them and buy the albums at Classic Metalfest and Powermad, yet couldn't bring in the masses to local gigs here, in GA, where they originated.

Maybe people in atlanta just don't have a taste for gay metal?

I'm failing to see how Cauldron Born is "gay metal".

Im not suprised.

If you're going to insult my taste in music, then please at least use spell check.

So you lisen to homosexual music and you make sure you spellcheck everything you write? Man you must suck.

Dude, you're just fucking retarded. I'd just try not to misspell simple words like "listen" because it looks a little bit ridiculous for you to be talking down to me when you write like a three year old.

I would match wits with you, sir, but I'm afraid I don't dual with an un-armed man.

I think my bad spelling is a more acceptable flaw than you lisTening to faggot music.

So you're better than me because your life revolves around fighting over the internet and listening to a bunch of guys in corpse paint that don't know how to play their instruments?

Yes.

And I think they can play their instruments fine. But even if they couldent play them,Its better to play badly then gayly.

I wish you had something to back up your arguement rather than just using "gay" over and over again.

My problem with black metal is that it feels like a big gimmick. There's not enough attention on the music, it's all on the stage shows, the satanic rituals, etc. They spend too much time creating an image and trying to shock people and not enough making music.

There's my reason why I don't like your music. Now can I get an intelligent reason why you don't like mine?

well I use gay alot because your music is gay. Understand?

Also I'm not going to rant about black metal,but black metal has more feeling in it because of these things,there is more focus on the music than anything but the effects add to the atmosphere,rather than just making dry music with nothing behind it. Black metal is somewhat like an opera.

I see you tryed to make an assumption about a musical genre that you dont even like or lisen to,When I on the other hand also lisen to power metal and music that I think you are maybe trying to make,And you just downright do a bad job at it,I think the point of power metal is to have alot of emotion and POWER in it,Not make it sound like a fucking homosexual disco party mix.


Don't get so defensive because I don't like your band or "cawldrun borwun". I don't even know you,So obviously you might think your music is alittle gay also or else you wouldent be so defensive about it.

[Brian]

Okay if Atlanta's such a great metal scene, then why is there no Classic Metalfest here? Why is there no Powermad? Because people just don't get into that stuff here. There's a much better appreciation for good metal in places like Chicago and Baltimore. That's why Cauldron Born (one of the most talented bands in recent years, in my opinion) had people come to see them and buy the albums at Classic Metalfest and Powermad, yet couldn't bring in the masses to local gigs here, in GA, where they originated.

Maybe people in atlanta just don't have a taste for gay metal?

I'm failing to see how Cauldron Born is "gay metal".

Im not suprised.

If you're going to insult my taste in music, then please at least use spell check.

So you lisen to homosexual music and you make sure you spellcheck everything you write? Man you must suck.

Dude, you're just fucking retarded. I'd just try not to misspell simple words like "listen" because it looks a little bit ridiculous for you to be talking down to me when you write like a three year old.

I would match wits with you, sir, but I'm afraid I don't dual with an un-armed man.

I think my bad spelling is a more acceptable flaw than you lisTening to faggot music.

So you're better than me because your life revolves around fighting over the internet and listening to a bunch of guys in corpse paint that don't know how to play their instruments?

Yes.

And I think they can play their instruments fine. But even if they couldent play them,Its better to play badly then gayly.

I wish you had something to back up your arguement rather than just using "gay" over and over again.

And you need to back up your argument with something other than "HEY MAN LOL YOU CAN'T SPELL GOOD!!!1!!"

[kfoll]

Yeah the bands of today are definitely more supportive than they were several years ago, so perhaps it's building, slowly. The biggest hurdle will be getting people to start going to shows regularly. Right now it seems like the bands have to invite people they know for any sort of good turn out.

That's true, but when you're unsigned and have no marketing budget, a lot of your fans tend to also be your friends. You just have to build it from there. On the other hand, as you play more and more shows in the same market, the fans who weren't previously your friends become your friends so it's actually pretty cool. Hell, people have even started talking to our drummer at shows! haha (er-um, I guess that's only funny if you know him)

As far as regularly attending shows...to be honest it can be pretty hard to keep up with. Lots of bands playing lots of gigs... But it all starts with a supportive attitude and cool ass people. Speaking of which...Yo Vince when's the next Rocky Mountain Metal Night?

Well I think things like this usually happen spontaneously, which is not to say it can't be helped along by events like HH or the Rocky Mountain night (which I missed altogether while being sequestered in Alabama). But yeah I agree, with enough cool people it could happen... I have had a few ideas of how it could be helped along:
1. Squabbling about "gay" this and "gay" that does nothing to help consolidate a metal scene. All it does is continue to divide all the subgenres, which I consider somewhat bs anyway. Why can't we all just agree to disagree on style? Styles can cross over and be inspired by each other, and most musicians will cite influences that sound nothing at all like their own style. So there.
2. More people should start cross-pollinating... IOW, go out to see a local band you haven't seen before, regardless of who else is going or whether you know anyone there. Hell, I knew NOBODY when I first started going to shows, but now I seem to have friends wherever I go. That's because I don't confine myself to one part of town or style of metal. And, I have a hell of a time each and every time!
3. There are many venues who take advantage of the bands eagerness to play. I wish there was a way to force their hand into treating you guys better. I have been on a soapbox about that for awhile tho, and I don't think the issue is a stranger to anyone here so I'll shut up about it now.
4. Get your friends and neighbors out to a show. I remember the first show in Rome I saw where Daath played, there were some people who were all C&W, but their kids took them to see that show, and I overheard them giving their parents the "briefing" on metal -- haha, it was funny, but at the same time it made me wonder if you could create a brand-new audience by bringing in non-fans and introducing them to it.
5. There needs to be a central show calendar somewhere. I have met half a dozen or more independent "promoters" but none of them seem to integrate the calendars for the bands they represent. Even here sometimes the shows don't get updated. The venues don't always have their own calendars updated. I guess it might take more work to really make that happen, but it might be worth someone's time -- maybe the show promoters need to be more active and consolidated with each other, and get the whole scene down on paper, at least. Who knows, maybe it'd give the audience more of an idea of how to schedule their show attendance. I know it'd help me out a whole bunch!
Just a few ideas.

[samsara]

Okay if Atlanta's such a great metal scene, then why is there no Classic Metalfest here? Why is there no Powermad? Because people just don't get into that stuff here. There's a much better appreciation for good metal in places like Chicago and Baltimore. That's why Cauldron Born (one of the most talented bands in recent years, in my opinion) had people come to see them and buy the albums at Classic Metalfest and Powermad, yet couldn't bring in the masses to local gigs here, in GA, where they originated.

Maybe people in atlanta just don't have a taste for gay metal?

I'm failing to see how Cauldron Born is "gay metal".

Im not suprised.

If you're going to insult my taste in music, then please at least use spell check.

So you lisen to homosexual music and you make sure you spellcheck everything you write? Man you must suck.

Dude, you're just fucking retarded. I'd just try not to misspell simple words like "listen" because it looks a little bit ridiculous for you to be talking down to me when you write like a three year old.

I would match wits with you, sir, but I'm afraid I don't dual with an un-armed man.

I think my bad spelling is a more acceptable flaw than you lisTening to faggot music.

So you're better than me because your life revolves around fighting over the internet and listening to a bunch of guys in corpse paint that don't know how to play their instruments?

Yes.

And I think they can play their instruments fine. But even if they couldent play them,Its better to play badly then gayly.

I wish you had something to back up your arguement rather than just using "gay" over and over again.

And you need to back up your argument with something other than "HEY MAN LOL YOU CAN'T SPELL GOOD!!!1!!"

I just did.

[samsara]

Okay if Atlanta's such a great metal scene, then why is there no Classic Metalfest here? Why is there no Powermad? Because people just don't get into that stuff here. There's a much better appreciation for good metal in places like Chicago and Baltimore. That's why Cauldron Born (one of the most talented bands in recent years, in my opinion) had people come to see them and buy the albums at Classic Metalfest and Powermad, yet couldn't bring in the masses to local gigs here, in GA, where they originated.

Maybe people in atlanta just don't have a taste for gay metal?

I'm failing to see how Cauldron Born is "gay metal".

Im not suprised.

If you're going to insult my taste in music, then please at least use spell check.

So you lisen to homosexual music and you make sure you spellcheck everything you write? Man you must suck.

Dude, you're just fucking retarded. I'd just try not to misspell simple words like "listen" because it looks a little bit ridiculous for you to be talking down to me when you write like a three year old.

I would match wits with you, sir, but I'm afraid I don't dual with an un-armed man.

I think my bad spelling is a more acceptable flaw than you lisTening to faggot music.

So you're better than me because your life revolves around fighting over the internet and listening to a bunch of guys in corpse paint that don't know how to play their instruments?

Yes.

And I think they can play their instruments fine. But even if they couldent play them,Its better to play badly then gayly.

I wish you had something to back up your arguement rather than just using "gay" over and over again.

My problem with black metal is that it feels like a big gimmick. There's not enough attention on the music, it's all on the stage shows, the satanic rituals, etc. They spend too much time creating an image and trying to shock people and not enough making music.

There's my reason why I don't like your music. Now can I get an intelligent reason why you don't like mine?

well I use gay alot because your music is gay. Understand?

Also I'm not going to rant about black metal,but black metal has more feeling in it because of these things,there is more focus on the music than anything but the effects add to the atmosphere,rather than just making dry music with nothing behind it. Black metal is somewhat like an opera.

I see you tryed to make an assumption about a musical genre that you dont even like or lisen to,When I on the other hand also lisen to power metal and music that I think you are maybe trying to make,And you just downright do a bad job at it,I think the point of power metal is to have alot of emotion and POWER in it,Not make it sound like a fucking homosexual disco party mix.


Don't get so defensive because I don't like your band or "cawldrun borwun". I don't even know you,So obviously you might think your music is alittle gay also or else you wouldent be so defensive about it.

OH so this is about you not like Samsara? Okay. I completely agree. We sucked.

[necroodin]

I think this is all Blargs way of attempting to pick up adolescent males.

[Blarg!]

I think this is all Blargs way of attempting to pick up adolescent males.

Thiz does not mayke sensc.

[BlazeTSU]

ok, heres my two cents........

the metal scene in atlanta is doing pretty damn good at the moment. we've got our problems.......for example - everyone here being assholes to each other all the time. we have 392 registered users on this forum and only about 12 posters. why is this? because every time someone new posts a thread we feel it necessary to tell them how "gay" they are or how bad their band sucks. this place was started to be a focus point for the metal community....not the "atlanta asshole messageboards".

the "atlanta metal message board" were started years ago to build the metal community in atlanta. it worked for a while and things were going great. people were becoming friends and getting to know each other better and the shows started attracting more people. (at some point things went a little sour.)

before that i remember going to SIGNS OF DYING shows with only three or four people there. i also remember going to see WITHERED's first show ever with MAGRUDERGRIND @ the neutron bomb and myself and josh(former TSU guitarist) were literally the only two people that weren't in a band that was playing that night. i also saw CAULDRON BORN once with about 10 people there(wifes, girlfriends and family). it used to be some sort of major accomplishment for a local band to pull 20 - 30 people into a show....and half of those didn't pay. ontop of that, we had to work our asses off for those 20 - 30(more often than not 5 - 10). it wasn't just internet buzz or BS like that. we had to hit to road with the most badass flyers we could muster, a hand full of change, a staple gun and a full tank of gas to hang those bastards all night long night after night, weekend after weekend.

it was not only was it frustrating to us in the bands but also the venues. back then it was almost impossible to get an entire bill full of any types of metal. you had to play with a variety of different styles just to get a show. it wouldn't be all that out of the ordinary to have a metal band, hip-hop group, nu-metal and a folk singer on the same bill.

i think we all can agree that things are better now.

i personally have played metal in coffeeshops, burritto joints, basements, backporches, self-storage units, warehouses, churches, youth centers, sidewalks.......etc.....wherever people would let us play. thats what it takes. every person on the boards that has had any success with their music have done all this as well.

if you aren't willing to put the time in than you can't complain about anything. we have a ton of things that most places do not have. we have wrekage, WNGTI, LFR, deathgasm, two sites devoted completely to metal in atlanta, great bands and people that are motivated to do something. we have eyal recording bands for free and cheap, eric and vince among others trying to organize a "metal night" where everyone can hang out. and a good many venues all around the city willing to put on all metal shows.

the only way our scene is going to suck is if people just complain about it on the internet instead of actually being a part of it.

[samsara]

ok, heres my two cents........

the metal scene in atlanta is doing pretty damn good at the moment. we've got our problems.......for example - everyone here being assholes to each other all the time. we have 392 registered users on this forum and only about 12 posters. why is this? because every time someone new posts a thread we feel it necessary to tell them how "gay" they are or how bad their band sucks. this place was started to be a focus point for the metal community....not the "atlanta asshole messageboards".

the "atlanta metal message board" were started years ago to build the metal community in atlanta. it worked for a while and things were going great. people were becoming friends and getting to know each other better and the shows started attracting more people. (at some point things went a little sour.)

before that i remember going to SIGNS OF DYING shows with only three or four people there. i also remember going to see WITHERED's first show ever with MAGRUDERGRIND @ the neutron bomb and myself and josh(former TSU guitarist) were literally the only two people that weren't in a band that was playing that night. i also saw CAULDRON BORN once with about 10 people there(wifes, girlfriends and family). it used to be some sort of major accomplishment for a local band to pull 20 - 30 people into a show....and half of those didn't pay. ontop of that, we had to work our asses off for those 20 - 30(more often than not 5 - 10). it wasn't just internet buzz or BS like that. we had to hit to road with the most badass flyers we could muster, a hand full of change, a staple gun and a full tank of gas to hang those bastards all night long night after night, weekend after weekend.

it was not only was it frustrating to us in the bands but also the venues. back then it was almost impossible to get an entire bill full of any types of metal. you had to play with a variety of different styles just to get a show. it wouldn't be all that out of the ordinary to have a metal band, hip-hop group, nu-metal and a folk singer on the same bill.

i think we all can agree that things are better now.

i personally have played metal in coffeeshops, burritto joints, basements, backporches, self-storage units, warehouses, churches, youth centers, sidewalks.......etc.....wherever people would let us play. thats what it takes. every person on the boards that has had any success with their music have done all this as well.

if you aren't willing to put the time in than you can't complain about anything. we have a ton of things that most places do not have. we have wrekage, WNGTI, LFR, deathgasm, two sites devoted completely to metal in atlanta, great bands and people that are motivated to do something. we have eyal recording bands for free and cheap, eric and vince among others trying to organize a "metal night" where everyone can hang out. and a good many venues all around the city willing to put on all metal shows.

the only way our scene is going to suck is if people just complain about it on the internet instead of actually being a part of it.

Wow, dude. I completely agree.

[Blarg!]

ok, heres my two cents........

the metal scene in atlanta is doing pretty damn good at the moment. we've got our problems.......for example - everyone here being assholes to each other all the time. we have 392 registered users on this forum and only about 12 posters. why is this? because every time someone new posts a thread we feel it necessary to tell them how "gay" they are or how bad their band sucks. this place was started to be a focus point for the metal community....not the "atlanta asshole messageboards".

the "atlanta metal message board" were started years ago to build the metal community in atlanta. it worked for a while and things were going great. people were becoming friends and getting to know each other better and the shows started attracting more people. (at some point things went a little sour.)

before that i remember going to SIGNS OF DYING shows with only three or four people there. i also remember going to see WITHERED's first show ever with MAGRUDERGRIND @ the neutron bomb and myself and josh(former TSU guitarist) were literally the only two people that weren't in a band that was playing that night. i also saw CAULDRON BORN once with about 10 people there(wifes, girlfriends and family). it used to be some sort of major accomplishment for a local band to pull 20 - 30 people into a show....and half of those didn't pay. ontop of that, we had to work our asses off for those 20 - 30(more often than not 5 - 10). it wasn't just internet buzz or BS like that. we had to hit to road with the most badass flyers we could muster, a hand full of change, a staple gun and a full tank of gas to hang those bastards all night long night after night, weekend after weekend.

it was not only was it frustrating to us in the bands but also the venues. back then it was almost impossible to get an entire bill full of any types of metal. you had to play with a variety of different styles just to get a show. it wouldn't be all that out of the ordinary to have a metal band, hip-hop group, nu-metal and a folk singer on the same bill.

i think we all can agree that things are better now.

i personally have played metal in coffeeshops, burritto joints, basements, backporches, self-storage units, warehouses, churches, youth centers, sidewalks.......etc.....wherever people would let us play. thats what it takes. every person on the boards that has had any success with their music have done all this as well.

if you aren't willing to put the time in than you can't complain about anything. we have a ton of things that most places do not have. we have wrekage, WNGTI, LFR, deathgasm, two sites devoted completely to metal in atlanta, great bands and people that are motivated to do something. we have eyal recording bands for free and cheap, eric and vince among others trying to organize a "metal night" where everyone can hang out. and a good many venues all around the city willing to put on all metal shows.

the only way our scene is going to suck is if people just complain about it on the internet instead of actually being a part of it.

Well,I think that if you like samsara,you are probablly gay. Im sorry,But Its true.

And,All bands who enjoy playing music do those things you mentioned.

Also,Usually "scenes" are of one genre,or very simmiler ones. I know there are some really shitty bands that are from atlanta that would call themselfs "D00D TEH ATNAYUNTA METUL SEEN IS RAD" a Atlanta Metal band.

[BlazeTSU]

Well,I think that if you like samsara,you are probablly gay. Im sorry,But Its true.

samsara just happened to be young.........which is awesome. there is nothing wrong with starting young. you don't have to be the best band on the planet....just be a band and work your ass off.

And,All bands who enjoy playing music do those things you mentioned.

that was my point!

[kfoll]

ok, heres my two cents........

the metal scene in atlanta is doing pretty damn good at the moment. we've got our problems.......for example - everyone here being assholes to each other all the time. we have 392 registered users on this forum and only about 12 posters. why is this? because every time someone new posts a thread we feel it necessary to tell them how "gay" they are or how bad their band sucks. this place was started to be a focus point for the metal community....not the "atlanta asshole messageboards".

the "atlanta metal message board" were started years ago to build the metal community in atlanta. it worked for a while and things were going great. people were becoming friends and getting to know each other better and the shows started attracting more people. (at some point things went a little sour.)

before that i remember going to SIGNS OF DYING shows with only three or four people there. i also remember going to see WITHERED's first show ever with MAGRUDERGRIND @ the neutron bomb and myself and josh(former TSU guitarist) were literally the only two people that weren't in a band that was playing that night. i also saw CAULDRON BORN once with about 10 people there(wifes, girlfriends and family). it used to be some sort of major accomplishment for a local band to pull 20 - 30 people into a show....and half of those didn't pay. ontop of that, we had to work our asses off for those 20 - 30(more often than not 5 - 10). it wasn't just internet buzz or BS like that. we had to hit to road with the most badass flyers we could muster, a hand full of change, a staple gun and a full tank of gas to hang those bastards all night long night after night, weekend after weekend.

it was not only was it frustrating to us in the bands but also the venues. back then it was almost impossible to get an entire bill full of any types of metal. you had to play with a variety of different styles just to get a show. it wouldn't be all that out of the ordinary to have a metal band, hip-hop group, nu-metal and a folk singer on the same bill.

i think we all can agree that things are better now.

i personally have played metal in coffeeshops, burritto joints, basements, backporches, self-storage units, warehouses, churches, youth centers, sidewalks.......etc.....wherever people would let us play. thats what it takes. every person on the boards that has had any success with their music have done all this as well.

if you aren't willing to put the time in than you can't complain about anything. we have a ton of things that most places do not have. we have wrekage, WNGTI, LFR, deathgasm, two sites devoted completely to metal in atlanta, great bands and people that are motivated to do something. we have eyal recording bands for free and cheap, eric and vince among others trying to organize a "metal night" where everyone can hang out. and a good many venues all around the city willing to put on all metal shows.

the only way our scene is going to suck is if people just complain about it on the internet instead of actually being a part of it.

That's what I'm screaming... That's the whole reason I'm doing this video thing. Hopefully it'll help both me (with a portfolio piece) and the metal scene (by highlighting some of the best bands to be heard). It might not seem like much at the moment but I do have enough content now that I might be putting stuff up on Youtube shortly. I'm hoping that as it begins to shape up it'll generate its own audience. And maybe it'll help generate audiences for the bands as well.

[Strange]

Well said Blaze...well said.

Kelly, good point about the central show calendar, but the trick to that one would be 1-Someone taking the iniative to set it up and maintain it (as you said, most clubs can't even keep their own calendars up to date), and then letting people know about it. There are probably already a number of these sort of things set up that just aren't being used.

But you're also right that as far as the scene in general goes, it will have to happen spontaneously/organically for it to truly stick, but the more effort people make toward that end, the better. Look for instance at what Neal Kay did for the NWOBHM.

But like I said, I see it happening. I can fucking feel it under my skin. There's too much good music being created here for this city to contain.

[samsara]

ok, heres my two cents........

the metal scene in atlanta is doing pretty damn good at the moment. we've got our problems.......for example - everyone here being assholes to each other all the time. we have 392 registered users on this forum and only about 12 posters. why is this? because every time someone new posts a thread we feel it necessary to tell them how "gay" they are or how bad their band sucks. this place was started to be a focus point for the metal community....not the "atlanta asshole messageboards".

the "atlanta metal message board" were started years ago to build the metal community in atlanta. it worked for a while and things were going great. people were becoming friends and getting to know each other better and the shows started attracting more people. (at some point things went a little sour.)

before that i remember going to SIGNS OF DYING shows with only three or four people there. i also remember going to see WITHERED's first show ever with MAGRUDERGRIND @ the neutron bomb and myself and josh(former TSU guitarist) were literally the only two people that weren't in a band that was playing that night. i also saw CAULDRON BORN once with about 10 people there(wifes, girlfriends and family). it used to be some sort of major accomplishment for a local band to pull 20 - 30 people into a show....and half of those didn't pay. ontop of that, we had to work our asses off for those 20 - 30(more often than not 5 - 10). it wasn't just internet buzz or BS like that. we had to hit to road with the most badass flyers we could muster, a hand full of change, a staple gun and a full tank of gas to hang those bastards all night long night after night, weekend after weekend.

it was not only was it frustrating to us in the bands but also the venues. back then it was almost impossible to get an entire bill full of any types of metal. you had to play with a variety of different styles just to get a show. it wouldn't be all that out of the ordinary to have a metal band, hip-hop group, nu-metal and a folk singer on the same bill.

i think we all can agree that things are better now.

i personally have played metal in coffeeshops, burritto joints, basements, backporches, self-storage units, warehouses, churches, youth centers, sidewalks.......etc.....wherever people would let us play. thats what it takes. every person on the boards that has had any success with their music have done all this as well.

if you aren't willing to put the time in than you can't complain about anything. we have a ton of things that most places do not have. we have wrekage, WNGTI, LFR, deathgasm, two sites devoted completely to metal in atlanta, great bands and people that are motivated to do something. we have eyal recording bands for free and cheap, eric and vince among others trying to organize a "metal night" where everyone can hang out. and a good many venues all around the city willing to put on all metal shows.

the only way our scene is going to suck is if people just complain about it on the internet instead of actually being a part of it.

Well,I think that if you like samsara,you are probablly gay. Im sorry,But Its true.

And,All bands who enjoy playing music do those things you mentioned.

Also,Usually "scenes" are of one genre,or very simmiler ones. I know there are some really shitty bands that are from atlanta that would call themselfs "D00D TEH ATNAYUNTA METUL SEEN IS RAD" a Atlanta Metal band.

Dude, fuck you. I'm not playing music for you. Do you really think I give a flying fuck about your shitty opinion? No. I play the music that I want, not what you stupid faggots want to hear. I play for myself, and there are plenty of people who liked it, and that's great. But even if not one person on the face of the earth was into it, I wouldn't change. I don't care what other people think of my music, because well, it's MY music. So fuck off, and stop being such an ignorant asshole. That's not doing any good for anything.

[Blarg!]

ok, heres my two cents........

the metal scene in atlanta is doing pretty damn good at the moment. we've got our problems.......for example - everyone here being assholes to each other all the time. we have 392 registered users on this forum and only about 12 posters. why is this? because every time someone new posts a thread we feel it necessary to tell them how "gay" they are or how bad their band sucks. this place was started to be a focus point for the metal community....not the "atlanta asshole messageboards".

the "atlanta metal message board" were started years ago to build the metal community in atlanta. it worked for a while and things were going great. people were becoming friends and getting to know each other better and the shows started attracting more people. (at some point things went a little sour.)

before that i remember going to SIGNS OF DYING shows with only three or four people there. i also remember going to see WITHERED's first show ever with MAGRUDERGRIND @ the neutron bomb and myself and josh(former TSU guitarist) were literally the only two people that weren't in a band that was playing that night. i also saw CAULDRON BORN once with about 10 people there(wifes, girlfriends and family). it used to be some sort of major accomplishment for a local band to pull 20 - 30 people into a show....and half of those didn't pay. ontop of that, we had to work our asses off for those 20 - 30(more often than not 5 - 10). it wasn't just internet buzz or BS like that. we had to hit to road with the most badass flyers we could muster, a hand full of change, a staple gun and a full tank of gas to hang those bastards all night long night after night, weekend after weekend.

it was not only was it frustrating to us in the bands but also the venues. back then it was almost impossible to get an entire bill full of any types of metal. you had to play with a variety of different styles just to get a show. it wouldn't be all that out of the ordinary to have a metal band, hip-hop group, nu-metal and a folk singer on the same bill.

i think we all can agree that things are better now.

i personally have played metal in coffeeshops, burritto joints, basements, backporches, self-storage units, warehouses, churches, youth centers, sidewalks.......etc.....wherever people would let us play. thats what it takes. every person on the boards that has had any success with their music have done all this as well.

if you aren't willing to put the time in than you can't complain about anything. we have a ton of things that most places do not have. we have wrekage, WNGTI, LFR, deathgasm, two sites devoted completely to metal in atlanta, great bands and people that are motivated to do something. we have eyal recording bands for free and cheap, eric and vince among others trying to organize a "metal night" where everyone can hang out. and a good many venues all around the city willing to put on all metal shows.

the only way our scene is going to suck is if people just complain about it on the internet instead of actually being a part of it.

Well,I think that if you like samsara,you are probablly gay. Im sorry,But Its true.

And,All bands who enjoy playing music do those things you mentioned.

Also,Usually "scenes" are of one genre,or very simmiler ones. I know there are some really shitty bands that are from atlanta that would call themselfs "D00D TEH ATNAYUNTA METUL SEEN IS RAD" a Atlanta Metal band.

Dude, fuck you. I'm not playing music for you. Do you really think I give a flying fuck about your shitty opinion?

it kind of seems like it.


If you make music and faggots listen to it and you are making it for yourself,then maybe you should question your own sexuality.