Modern Black Metal (and its factionalism)

[Blarg!]

I am not going to bother reading this thread, because I know there is a 98% chance that a metal fight will break out. I'm just going to give my thoughts on the whole thing and be done with it.

I hate that kvlt lo-fi raw stuff. People like to say, "oh, black metal isn't supposed to be likable."

Where did this ideology come from? Alright, no other form of metal feels that way. All other genres of metal have evolved and actually sought to be more technical, have better recording quality, and better written music. They try to say, "the founding fathers of black metal wanted it that way, bla bla bla." I can't tell you how many countless interviews I've seen where these "founding fathers" have said they weren't Satanic, and didn't give a fuck about being Satanic. They admit that using the horrible production quality was a gimmick. They actually admit that they only did it for the kvlt points. In a way, that is being more poser than writing black metal that isn't lo-fi and raw. These people I'm t
alking about are from the first second wave black metal bands, like Darkthrone, Mayhem, etc.. A lot of people I know don't consider bands like Venom and Mercyful Fate to be black metal. Well Venom was definitely more than just speed metal. If you really want to get that anal about, "founding fathers," technically, nothing is black metal unless it sounds like Bathory, Mercyful Fate, or Venom. But that being aside, when in the fuck did ANY of the first or second wave "founding fathers" write a God damn rule book saying that black metal had to sound like pure ass?

If you consider bands like Venom and so forth to be at least in part black metal, like I do, they got better with time. Better composition, better recording quality, so on and so forth.

Alright another point I'd like to make. Honestly, what is wrong with evolving and making clear, decipherable music? Who gives a fuck if other people like the same thing you like? Really, why does it matter?

I prefer black metal bands more like Enochian Crescent, Watain, Dissection, Vinerland, etc.. Now I don't like Dimmu, with the exception of Stormblåst and some songs from Enthroned Darkness Triumphant.

Honestly, the whole "kvlt" thing doesn't make any logical sense to me whatsoever.

Sorry if my post is tl;dr. Not sorry if it offended you, or you disagree with me.

I wonder when people will start educating themselfs on a topic before writing a lengthy opinion about it.

You're that douche bag kid who think's he's all that.

Trust me, I know more about metal than you could ever possibly dream to achieve. I'm not going to bother saying anything else to you or reading any more of your nonsensical "I'm kvlter than u r" bullshit.

Don't be so pretentious and try to mature a little bit.

Wow, this further proves the point I was making.
You are obviously threatened or self-conscious because I really didn't say anything besides you should really learn before you speak.

And what have you done to make you "know more about metal"?
It's obvious just from these posts that I know more about metal, at least Black Metal than you, and most likely so does everyone else who has posted on this thread.
I have not seen any accomplishments of yours within metal and your posts all point to "Dumbass".

and no..I will never be "Kvlter" than you, because I would never degrade myself enough to actually use that sort of lingo seriously. Shithead.

[Vhyle]

This thread is amazing.

[Brian]

You're that douche bag kid who think's he's all that.

Trust me, I know more about metal than you could ever possibly dream to achieve.

Hmm....

Exactly what I was going to point out.

[Brian]

Blarg, I gurantee, is around 16-18, and probably hasn't been listening to metal for more than maybe 2 or so years.

I've been listening to metal for 15 years. My older brothers Adam and Chris got me into it when I was 5 or 6 years old (they were roughly around 16-18 years old).

I know people who have been into metal for 15-20 years and still listen to the same old Iron Maiden, Pantera, and Black Sabbath songs. What's your point?

I grew up listening to everything from Deep Purple and Rush (thanks to my father), to Venom, Cancer, and Possessed (thanks to them).

You're that douche bag kid who think's he's all that.

I'm not trying to be arrogant or anything, and if you don't believe me, that's fine too, I really couldn't care less what some kids on a metal forum based out of Georgia think.

See above.

[Blarg!]

and that I am no uneducated when it comes to metal.

You are no uneducated when it comes to metal?
...What!?

Blarg, I gurantee, is around 16-18, and probably hasn't been listening to metal for more than maybe 2 or so years.

You're, I "gurantee", no more than 40 years old, and has been listening to shitty metal, oblivious to any other kind, for 15 years.

I grew up listening to everything from Deep Purple and Rush (thanks to my father), to Venom, Cancer, and Possessed (thanks to them).

Woah! hold the phone, you were right!
Deep Purple, Cancer, Possessed?!..perhaps your knowledge of metal really is superior to mine! I've never heard of or listened to any of these bands! Now that's some underground stuff!

I'm not trying to be arrogant or anything, and if you don't believe me, that's fine too

It's not that nobody believes you, I believe that you have been listening to Venom for 15 years... But I think your missing the point here.

I really couldn't care less what some kids on a metal forum based out of Georgia think.

Alright, i'm glad you have finally come to this conclusion, this means you don't have to post anymore!

[anathematized_one]

I would like to know why you think I am uneducated about black metal. I've not said anything false about it. If you do two seconds of research, you'll find all that I said is true.

[anathematized_one]

I have not seen any accomplishments of yours within metal and your posts all point to "Dumbass".

That's because you don't know who I am.

My solo project Ãœbermensch is at least as well known as Obscurtum. I get people all the time messaging me and commenting on my music with how much they love it.

I was also in Morionor/Jenovah, which was way more successful than Obscurtum. We even had a whole east coast tour planned before we broke up.

[Brian]

OH SHIT SON

Obscurum vs. Obscurtum!

btw I've never heard of Ãœbermensch or Obscurtum, and I'd say that I'm fairly well-versed in the local scene here, since I host WREKage and all. I'm familiar with Morionor and Jenovah though. Those bands were cool.

[KunikoS Rayne]

Ok now this is fucking stupid..........someone put a referee in between Blarg and Anathematized.....yikes.

And I do believe I posted an entire thread about Ubermensch, you would have heard of it had you actually checked out my thread.

Chill out people.

[Brian]

A whole entire thread? No fvcking way.

[Brian]

I would like to know why you think I am uneducated about black metal. I've not said anything false about it. If you do two seconds of research, you'll find all that I said is true.

No...it really isn't all true. You said "what is wrong with evolving and making clear, decipherable music?" That implies that black metal, as a genre, hasn't evolved, which is flat out bullshit. Compare your beloved first wave bands to even the second wave bands -- very different sounds. Now compare the second wave bands to bands putting out music today, like Deathspell Omega, Belenos, and Nachtmystium. Once again, very different sounds. I could go on and on namedropping bands, but that really isn't the point. The point is that black metal has evolved, just as much as any other genre of metal. In fact, I'd say that it's changed more than power metal, progressive metal, doom metal, and thrash metal.

But of course, all of those genres suck and aren't worthy of my listening attention, because a genre needs to completely reinvent itself to be worthwhile.

Plenty of bands have clear production. A good bit of them are held in high regard within black metal communities. It might have the same quality as the latest Avril single, but I think we'd all agree that something like that would detract from the music.

As for not becoming more technical -- black metal isn't supposed to be a technical genre. Are you going to bash drone too because it hasn't become more technical? What about power metal? I still hear the same sweeping, tapping, and double bass that the early power metal bands were doing. And hell, while we're at it, what about punk rock? Indie rock? Hip-hop? None of those have become more technical. And many people would say that the best music in those genres was created decades ago. Doesn't mean they aren't worthwhile.

And really, who gives a fuck if it's a gimmick? GWAR, Dragonforce, Tenacious D, and Spinal Tap are all gimmick bands. And if you don't like Spinal Tap, you're a Communist.

[Blarg!]

I have not seen any accomplishments of yours within metal and your posts all point to "Dumbass".

That's because you don't know who I am.

My solo project Ãœbermensch is at least as well known as Obscurtum. I get people all the time messaging me and commenting on my music with how much they love it.

I was also in Morionor/Jenovah, which was way more successful than Obscurtum. We even had a whole east coast tour planned before we broke up.

Yeah this makes alot of sense now,
I've heard your "Black metal" band Ubermensch, horrible, I don't see how it even qualifies as black metal.
As for Jenovah/Morionor, That band has a GREAT reputation..I remember the story of the singer crying over the phone or something?
And yeah they were more popular, especially on myspace, just like How Cradle of Filth is more popular than most good black metal bands!

and yes, most of what you say is false, it's obvious that your knowledge of the genre doesn't stretch outside of your horrible bands.


That's good that you get myspace comments about how great your music is, when you actually release something and get the ball rolling maybe i'll be more likely to take you seriously..

http://www.myspace.com/metal_dick

By the way^ This is definitely the lifestyle that someone who is devoted to Black Metal takes.
Total black devotion here...

So you have been listening to metal for 15 years you said?
So you must have started at age 6 if I understand correctly, I imagine you sitting there in your room with your jew-fro listening to deep purple....

I am very charming, but no James Bond. I'm pretty funny, but no George Carlin. I am extremely smart, but not quite an Einstein. I'm basically better than your average Joe at anything, but I don't excel enough at any one thing for it to matter. I am like a "joker of all trades. "Well, I am extremely witty, but that only makes people hate you in most instances... "sarcastic prick, bla bla bla...." I've an extremely broad vocabulary, but I'm not doing to be an arrogant dick and talk like some pretentious asshole such as Bill Hicks.

I just love people describing themselfs on myspace.com
This must be why you get all of those comments on your shitty band from little kids.

And what ever happened to you not caring? You apparently care alot about your non-existent reputation since you keep replying to my posts!?

I can't even see how your band is black metal..and that other band Jenovah, who all of the gayest people in Northern Georgia have been in, isn't either, they are both horrible, they both just sound like horrible-boring melo death, and isn't that Jenovah band broken up anyway?

All and all, I wouldn't ever consider you black metal or good to the least, much less attend a show or let you open for us with your crowd of normfolk highschool kids who attend your shows because they are friends of the band.
Have any of your bands even actually released anything? If so, how many copies exactly did it sell? Because i'm guessing the only buyers were you and your buddies.

[Blarg!]

As for not becoming more technical -- black metal isn't supposed to be a technical genre. Are you going to bash drone too because it hasn't become more technical?

As for being technical, it's worthless, i've found that most experienced Black Metal musicians can play all of that tech-nonsense with ease, but it's extremely boring and does not make for good music usually.

[GameFreac]

I like black metal

[Vhyle]

I like black metal

Me too!