Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement

Post by **Brian** » Tue July 1st, 2008, 1:55 pm

I'm pretty sure all of us here download music, movies, games, etc...this thing is fucked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Count ... _Agreement

The US, the EU, Switzerland, Japan, Australia, Mexico, New Zealand, Canada, and South Korea are all in on this and it will be decided upon at G8 in July.

A few quotes from the article:

"It would also impose new cooperation requirements upon internet service providers (ISPs), including perfunctory disclosure of customer information, and restrict the use of online privacy tools."

"Similarly, it provides for criminalization of copyright infringement, granting law enforcement the powers to perform criminal investigation, arrests and pursue criminal citations or prosecution of suspects who may have infringed on copyright."

"The leaked document includes a provision to force internet service providers to provide information about suspected copyright infringers without a warrant, making it easier for the record industry to sue music file sharers and for officials to shut down non-commercial BitTorrent websites such as The Pirate Bay."

Thoughts?

Post by **Metalfreak** » Tue July 1st, 2008, 2:10 pm

That is fucking scary.

ProstheticHead12 · Post by **ProstheticHead12** » Tue July 1st, 2008, 2:24 pm

I don't like the warrentless stuff or the border searches (which is kinda funny considering all the illegal downloads are flying over borders through the tubes of the internet), but I can't really fault people for trying to stop piracy or copyright infringement.

Post by **Brian** » Tue July 1st, 2008, 2:54 pm

People wanting to stop piracy? Fine. I can't blame them even though I enjoy piracy myself.

But the government forcing ISP's to hand over data? No warrants? Being forced to have your computer checked and handing over your passwords when you're going on a flight? That's just way too far.

ScreamBloodyGore · Post by **ScreamBloodyGore** » Tue July 1st, 2008, 6:11 pm

THE INTERNET SHALL BECOME AN EXCRESCENCE THAT IS THE PRODUCT OF CAPITOLISM AND YOUR INABILITY TO ACT

FUCKING LAZY FUCKS

ProstheticHead12 · Post by **ProstheticHead12** » Tue July 1st, 2008, 6:48 pm

ScreamBloodyGore wrote:THE INTERNET SHALL BECOME AN EXCRESCENCE THAT IS THE PRODUCT OF CAPITOLISM AND YOUR INABILITY TO ACT

FUCKING LAZY FUCKS

if we are indeed unable to act, seems rather harsh to call us lazy fucks on top of it

ScreamBloodyGore · Post by **ScreamBloodyGore** » Tue July 1st, 2008, 7:53 pm

naw jay kay <3 u

Post by **Metalfreak** » Tue July 1st, 2008, 9:46 pm

Brian wrote:People wanting to stop piracy? Fine. I can't blame them even though I enjoy piracy myself.

But the government forcing ISP's to hand over data? No warrants? Being forced to have your computer checked and handing over your passwords when you're going on a flight? That's just way too far.

agreed. I hope this agreement does not go through...even though it probably will in the future. They seriously should have warrants. I don't want my shit searched at the airport...I don't even download anything illegally to start with!

Vhyle · Post by **Vhyle** » Tue July 1st, 2008, 10:19 pm

I think I'm in the minor here, but I hope they put a stop to piracy.

Fucking support your favored bands, people. Buy their music. So what if you're broke? I am too. I still buy CDs when I can.

I know a lot of you download, and I definitely see its advantages for finding stuff that is extremely rare. I will admit, I do have a few downloaded mp3s here and there, but 95+% of my music on my computer, is from albums that I have bought, and I own. But I am all about purchasing CDs from labels, and whatnot.

That's just me.

ScreamBloodyGore · Post by **ScreamBloodyGore** » Wed July 2nd, 2008, 1:51 pm

Vhyle wrote:I think I'm in the minor here, but I hope they put a stop to piracy.

Fucking support your favored bands, people. Buy their music. So what if you're broke? I am too. I still buy CDs when I can.

I know a lot of you download, and I definitely see its advantages for finding stuff that is extremely rare. I will admit, I do have a few downloaded mp3s here and there, but 95+% of my music on my computer, is from albums that I have bought, and I own. But I am all about purchasing CDs from labels, and whatnot.

That's just me.

See, like, unless the band you're supporting is on a small label, them dicks won't see much of the revenue.

If you want to support a band, go to their show and buy their merchandise.

Post by **Brian** » Wed July 2nd, 2008, 1:55 pm

Vhyle wrote:I think I'm in the minor here, but I hope they put a stop to piracy.

Fucking support your favored bands, people. Buy their music. So what if you're broke? I am too. I still buy CDs when I can.

I know a lot of you download, and I definitely see its advantages for finding stuff that is extremely rare. I will admit, I do have a few downloaded mp3s here and there, but 95+% of my music on my computer, is from albums that I have bought, and I own. But I am all about purchasing CDs from labels, and whatnot.

That's just me.

Alright, cool. I don't have $25 to spend on one import CD for a lot of the bands I like, so guess what? I download those albums, because a lot of my favorite bands have little to no distribution on this entire continent.

Fuck, I guess I should be arrested and/or fined because I like obscure music.

slut rag · Post by **slut rag** » Wed July 2nd, 2008, 2:25 pm

i agree about how obscure some music can be, so i HAVE to download it....and when that group comes to atlanta, i try my hardest to go to a show and buy a shirt.

Death2all · Post by **Death2all** » Wed July 2nd, 2008, 5:34 pm

I don't see how they are going to know who has what unless it's a random search. I think this is bullshit and wouldn't really give it a second thought.
If I am wrong then.... I guess I will cross that bridge when and if I get there.

Vhyle · Post by **Vhyle** » Wed July 2nd, 2008, 8:23 pm

Brian wrote:Alright, cool. I don't have $25 to spend on one import CD for a lot of the bands I like, so guess what? I download those albums, because a lot of my favorite bands have little to no distribution on this entire continent.

Fuck, I guess I should be arrested and/or fined because I like obscure music.

Like I said before, I see the advantages of downloading shit that is almost impossible to find. I'm not against that.

What I AM against, is people who download EVERYTHING upon fucking everything, regardless of how obscure it is. That's what I was trying to get at, but I guess I didn't make my point very well.

Post by **Brian** » Wed July 2nd, 2008, 11:13 pm

Vhyle wrote:
Brian wrote:Alright, cool. I don't have $25 to spend on one import CD for a lot of the bands I like, so guess what? I download those albums, because a lot of my favorite bands have little to no distribution on this entire continent.

Fuck, I guess I should be arrested and/or fined because I like obscure music.
Like I said before, I see the advantages of downloading shit that is almost impossible to find. I'm not against that.

What I AM against, is people who download EVERYTHING upon fucking everything, regardless of how obscure it is. That's what I was trying to get at, but I guess I didn't make my point very well.

I wasn't trying to bitch at you or anything nor am I trying to make this into a discussion about the morality of downloading. I was just using that to illustrate what could possibly happen if this thing goes through. Pirated files are pirated files, whether they're of Hinder or of Darkspace.

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