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Post by JMincemoyer » Sat July 26th, 2008, 6:45 am

egg yolkeo wrote:seriously why cant this be at center stage or the tabernacle,been tired if the masq for along time now.
Do these bands not know that there are other places to play in atl or does it take money out of their pockets?
When suffocation played center stage a while back it sounded 100 times better then when they played the masq,plus its just a better venue all around.
and to gamefreac not liking suffocation and giving them another shot wtf!
This is an interesting question. Maybe "masquerade" could shed some light on this as I would like to know as well. There are a lot of factors involved: money, event date, insurance (possibly?). Regarding bands not knowing about other places to play many tours are booked through a booking agency so the band(s) do not have control over such factors unless a band has enough status/stature to manipulate contractual clauses...maybe?

Money is most certainly a factor. A lot of venues take not only a percentage of the door/ticket sales, but also a percentage from the merchandise sales. I believe the Masquerade takes a merchandise percentage as do most venues the major exceptions being the smaller venues.
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Post by JMincemoyer » Sat July 26th, 2008, 6:56 am

To continue...(My work Internet link does not allow for large posts)

One of the reasons why t-shirt prices border on outrageous is due to the venue percentage(s). For a lot of bands the only way they make money on the road is through merchandise sales. For an international band there is always customs to deal with which may also feature taxation in some form or fashion, but that is getting off the topic (slightly).

What is the ticket price for this show? That's another thing to consider. Generally, the Masquerade's ticket prices are much lower than other venues. Ticket price helps offset the touring package guarantee...I'm not defending the Masquerade, but with exception of Manowar and Ministry ticket prices there rarely approach $30 or more although I could be wrong.

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Post by JMincemoyer » Sat July 26th, 2008, 7:35 am

Looked on the Masquerade site and tickets are not posted yet.

The same night in Hell: Psyopus, War From a Harlots Mouth, Fuck The Facts and one other band...

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Post by BlazeTSU » Sat July 26th, 2008, 8:42 am

as far as mid - large level venues in atlanta the Masquerade is by far the worst these days. Their prices are virtually the same as CenterStage and The Roxy with the major difference being the atmosphere and the sound. if i'm going to pay $25 for t-shirts and $3.50 for PBR then i at least would like some toilets that work and that the bands i payed $25 for to be decipherable.

i could go on but i must take on my daddy responsibilities for the day.

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Post by JMincemoyer » Sat July 26th, 2008, 8:56 am

I agree wholeheartedly, especially about the working toilets! Unfortunately, we do not control such things. I for one would like to see bands in the best possible venue. Carcass at the Tabernacle would have been awesome as I like that venue.

Wasn't the Masquerade supposed to close (years ago), anyway? And if it were to close what club would step in to take their place?

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Post by ScreamBloodyGore » Sat July 26th, 2008, 9:34 am

JMincemoyer wrote:Looked on the Masquerade site and tickets are not posted yet.

The same night in Hell: Psyopus, War From a Harlots Mouth, Fuck The Facts and one other band...
I saw that and wasn't sure if it could have been a mistake. I may actually have to miss one of the bands in heaven to see Fuck The Facts.

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Post by Metalfreak » Sat July 26th, 2008, 10:02 am

wow this is going to be fucking awesome!

Carcass is actually coming here and alot of you are now bitching about the masquerade? at least they're playing here! and besides, bands with higher stature generally have better sound there anyways. Sure it's not Center Stage but its not like they skipped Atlanta for once. so quit bitching.
They had you do a drug test and the forgot to test for drugs???

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Post by Brian » Sat July 26th, 2008, 10:30 am

egg yolkeo wrote:seriously why cant this be at center stage or the tabernacle,been tired if the masq for along time now.
Do these bands not know that there are other places to play in atl or does it take money out of their pockets?
When suffocation played center stage a while back it sounded 100 times better then when they played the masq,plus its just a better venue all around.
and to gamefreac not liking suffocation and giving them another shot wtf!
Do you honestly think that this tour package would even hit half capacity at the Tabernacle? That's 1300 tickets -- more than a sold out Heaven show at the Masquerade. Dimmu/Unearth/Devildriver/Kataklysm barely did half IIRC since they didn't even open up the top balcony for that show. And like it or not, that tour package draws a whole lot more than this tour package. So why would Live Nation waste their money paying for the package, paying the workers at the venue, etc for a show that would barely have any attendance (in comparison to the size of the venue)?

The Masquerade doesn't have the best sound but I like the atmosphere. It fits a metal show much more than the Tabernacle, Roxy, and Center Stage. And really, who gives a damn. It's fucking Carcass!

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Post by JMincemoyer » Sat July 26th, 2008, 10:53 am

Funny, I did not really get the feeling that there any was "bitching." More like general displeasure. This is a forum for open discussion, no? No one used profanity, over-capitilization or excessive use of exclamation points.

What is wrong with wanting to experience a band in the best possible venue/site? The Masquerade does have a reputation--for many reasons and for many years. I can remember a time when the bouncers there were particularly harsh. The last time I saw Nile at the Masquerade it sounded terrible. Same goes for Hate Eternal on their last stop here.

Good point regarding the tour package issue.

Regarding atmosphere, that like everything else is a matter of taste and/or opinion. I saw Slayer on the "Seasons In the Abyss" tour at the Atlanta Civic Center. Excellent seats, no smoking and the BEST sound imaginable. Oh, and clean restrooms.

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Post by AmoebicDysentery » Sat July 26th, 2008, 1:38 pm

Ticketbastard has tickets on sale for $25 + $4 in fees.

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Post by Metalfreak » Sat July 26th, 2008, 5:51 pm

JMincemoyer wrote:Funny, I did not really get the feeling that there any was "bitching." More like general displeasure. This is a forum for open discussion, no? No one used profanity, over-capitilization or excessive use of exclamation points.

What is wrong with wanting to experience a band in the best possible venue/site? The Masquerade does have a reputation--for many reasons and for many years. I can remember a time when the bouncers there were particularly harsh. The last time I saw Nile at the Masquerade it sounded terrible. Same goes for Hate Eternal on their last stop here.
I'm just sayin be happy they're coming is all! I don't care if they played at some small shitty ass bar, I'd still be happy.
They had you do a drug test and the forgot to test for drugs???

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Post by Brian » Sun July 27th, 2008, 1:43 am

AmoebicDysentery wrote:Ticketbastard has tickets on sale for $25 + $4 in fees.
wait wat
only $4 in TM fees? that's a miracle in itself.

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Post by egg yolkeo » Sun July 27th, 2008, 7:12 am

nothing beats the masquerade's metal atmosphere when its 200 degree's upstairs and it's gay black disco night bumpin downstairs :shock:

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Post by BlazeTSU » Sun July 27th, 2008, 1:44 pm

Carcass is actually coming here and alot of you are now bitching about the masquerade? at least they're playing here! and besides, bands with higher stature generally have better sound there anyways. Sure it's not Center Stage but its not like they skipped Atlanta for once. so quit bitching.
i'm super stoked that Carcass is coming and coming with Suffocation at that but i still hate the masquerade. and i've seen plenty of great bands have horrible sound at the masquerade......the majority actually. I'd have to say that the only two shows i've seen at the masquerade in years that actually sounded good were Cryptopsy with Lord Worm and Morbid Angel with David Vincent.


The last time I saw Nile at the Masquerade it sounded terrible. Same goes for Hate Eternal on their last stop here.
yeah, when Nile came through on the Annihilation of the Wicked tour, with Hypocrisy you could literally talk at normal volume to the people around you while they were playing. it seriously sounded like they were playing in a fishtank.

and Hate Eternal has always sounded like turds at the masquerade.....all 4 or 5 times i've seen them there.

Do you honestly think that this tour package would even hit half capacity at the Tabernacle? That's 1300 tickets -- more than a sold out Heaven show at the Masquerade. Dimmu/Unearth/Devildriver/Kataklysm barely did half IIRC since they didn't even open up the top balcony for that show. And like it or not, that tour package draws a whole lot more than this tour package. So why would Live Nation waste their money paying for the package, paying the workers at the venue, etc for a show that would barely have any attendance (in comparison to the size of the venue)?

The Masquerade doesn't have the best sound but I like the atmosphere. It fits a metal show much more than the Tabernacle, Roxy, and Center Stage. And really, who gives a damn. It's fucking Carcass!

you might be surprised at the amount of people that come out of the woodwork for bands like Carcass who haven't played here in many many years.

I'd be willing to bet that this show will outdo at least half of what is scheduled at CenterStage in the coming months. take a look at their schedule and let me know what you think. do bands like Clutch, Opeth and Extreme really have that much more of a draw than Carcass? i doubt it.

but all this isn't really the point. the point is that the powers that be at the masquerade have tried to get rid of it for years and years. they can't so they basically don't give a shit anymore. and we can't really compare places like CenterStage and The Tabernacle to a place like the Masquerade now can we? CenterStage and the Tabernacle are concert halls and the masquerade is an over the hill club that prices everything like its one of the big boys but takes no pride in its rotting corpse.

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Post by BlazeTSU » Sun July 27th, 2008, 2:00 pm

for the record......

i like the atmosphere at the Masquerade myself, a lot actually. its just that over the years a lot of peripherals have gone to hell. show times, high ticket prices, high beer prices, flooded bathrooms, dance parties, over paranoid staff and bad sound are just the start of their problems.

hopefully another venue will come and either take its place or make the masquerade up their game.

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