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[Ryan]

I have not heard said cover but Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting is a rad fucking song. No shame.

[badcarburetor]

I have not heard said cover but Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting is a rad fucking song. No shame.

It's a great song, but one that should never be covered. A ton of bands have done it and none well. It just sounds cheesy when done anyone who isn't a flaming homo.

When bands do those kinds of questionable covers, they really should always have the decency to stick them at the end of the album. Didn't their mamas give them any hometraining?

[Ryan]

I have not heard said cover but Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting is a rad fucking song. No shame.

It's a great song, but one that should never be covered. A ton of bands have done it and none well. It just sounds cheesy when done anyone who isn't a flaming homo.

When bands do those kinds of questionable covers, they really should always have the decency to stick them at the end of the album. Didn't their mamas give them any hometraining?

Total agree.

[SlashAndThrash]

Exodus covering Low Rider sucks but that doesnt take anything away from fabulous disaster, and iif you're listening out of actual like fir the band than one song shouldnt be a dealbreaker IMO and thats all I've got to say about that

[Knucklehead]

I haven't listened to No Displace for Disgrace in years, but I remember being disappointed when it came out. I should probably trot that one out and give it another listen.

Doomsday for the Deceiver, on the other hand, is a classic.

That's about where I am, too. I never listen to DftD much because of that hideous cover the Elton John song. Leave that out and it's a good record. Nothing else they ever did could touch it?

That hideous cover of the Elton John song is on No Place for Disgrace, and is one of the main reasons that I never listened to it much.

DftD, though, is solid all the way through. Plus, it showcases some incredible bass playing by Newsted. Apparently, he forgot all about it when he took his next job.

Just skip over the Elton John cover. No Place For Disgrace has some great songs that shouldn't be ignored just because of the one song.

I'd forgotten how good the title track is. Maybe I'll give it a listen tonight.

[Strange]

Exodus covering Low Rider sucks but that doesnt take anything away from fabulous disaster, and iif you're listening out of actual like fir the band than one song shouldnt be a dealbreaker IMO and thats all I've got to say about that

Bear in mind that skipping over songs is a lot easier now than it was in the 80's. A couple stinkers could kill an album pretty easily back then.

[Moloc]

Maybe I'm alone in this vein of thinking, but I really dig the F&J version of "Saturday Night..." In fact, I dig most covers. I like to hear another band's interpretation of the song. It's remixes I hate. I even like that Exodus cover of "Low Rider." Hell, I even like the Celtic Frost cover of "Mexican Radio." Type O Negative did some killer covers: "Angry Inch," "Summer Breeze" et. al. Anthrax's version of "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" is good. Anyone with me on this or am I yanking my own chain?

[Strange]

Maybe I'm alone in this vein of thinking, but I really dig the F&J version of "Saturday Night..." In fact, I dig most covers. I like to hear another band's interpretation of the song. It's remixes I hate. I even like that Exodus cover of "Low Rider." Hell, I even like the Celtic Frost cover of "Mexican Radio." Type O Negative did some killer covers: "Angry Inch," "Summer Breeze" et. al. Anthrax's version of "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" is good. Anyone with me on this or am I yanking my own chain?

I'm with you in general...especially when a band really makes it their own. Crowbar's cover of "Remember Tomorrow" for instance. The Saturday Night and Lowrider covers, to me, fell under the heading of not taking one's self too seriously, which was an element of early thrash I always dug. I saw Sacred Reich play "Louie Louie" live one night. They invited anyone who wanted to sing it on-stage with 'em. Good times were had by all.

Now, the Celtic Frost cover of Mexican Radio falls more under the header of "So terrible it's actually kinda awesome." It sounded like they only heard the song twice and then completely bullshitted their way through it. haha

[badcarburetor]

Strange makes a good point. Maybe it's an old habit that I need to get over. But I do find sequencing to be important and a real dud can kill the flow and it bums me out to have a good record interrupted by some nonsense. Just a personal quirk, I suppose.

I love the CELTIC FROST version of "Mexican Radio". I like covers to go one of two ways, either a straight up replication of the original or a reinterpretation that gives the song a totally new feel. The CF version of "Mexican Radio" is straight up creepy as fuck and that's cool. "SNAfF" to me just sounds like it should have been given a bit more thought and maybe dismissed. As Bad Santa once said, "They can't all be winners, kid..."

Kind of related...Last night I listened to MPIRE OF EVIL for the first time. I found their Creatures of Black EP on Spotify and gave it a spin without checking out the track names first. Turns out it's 2/3 covers. To me, that's a pretty weird way for a band to choose to introduce themselves. I usually think of covers albums as what bands do when they have one album left on their contract and just want to be done with it.

I almost ignored MOE altogether - in spite of their lineage - because I thought the band name was so stupid. Again, another personal quirk. It's OK, nothing to write home about, but they did break another of my rules (in addition to their first release being covers). They covered "Motorhead" by...MOTORHEAD. In my world you don't do another band's theme song. That's just...weird. Like when D GENERATION based their band name, first album and theme song on the REAGAN YOUTH song. They did a good version of it, but still...


To each their own and all that. Those are just a few of my cover song rules/quirks. Oh, and all (well, most) of these rules go out the window for live drunken insanity.

[badcarburetor]

It's remixes I hate.

Serious question, how much of an issue is this in metal? In other genres, remixing is a huge thing and most of the time the result is junk, but I can't think of a ton of remixes in metal. Re-masters, yes. And there is the occasional mix "update" to salvage stuff that had been recorded on tape and sounded like garbage when it was first put to CD in the late 80s/early 90s. Is that what you mean as opposed to Rihanna having 15 remixes by DJ This That and The Other for da club and metal bands aping that?

[Strange]

Strange makes a good point. Maybe it's an old habit that I need to get over. But I do find sequencing to be important and a real dud can kill the flow and it bums me out to have a good record interrupted by some nonsense. Just a personal quirk, I suppose.

I love the CELTIC FROST version of "Mexican Radio". I like covers to go one of two ways, either a straight up replication of the original or a reinterpretation that gives the song a totally new feel. The CF version of "Mexican Radio" is straight up creepy as fuck and that's cool. "SNAfF" to me just sounds like it should have been given a bit more thought and maybe dismissed. As Bad Santa once said, "They can't all be winners, kid..."

Kind of related...Last night I listened to MPIRE OF EVIL for the first time. I found their Creatures of Black EP on Spotify and gave it a spin without checking out the track names first. Turns out it's 2/3 covers. To me, that's a pretty weird way for a band to choose to introduce themselves. I usually think of covers albums as what bands do when they have one album left on their contract and just want to be done with it.

I almost ignored MOE altogether - in spite of their lineage - because I thought the band name was so stupid. Again, another personal quirk. It's OK, nothing to write home about, but they did break another of my rules (in addition to their first release being covers). They covered "Motorhead" by...MOTORHEAD. In my world you don't do another band's theme song. That's just...weird. Like when D GENERATION based their band name, first album and theme song on the REAGAN YOUTH song. They did a good version of it, but still...


To each their own and all that. Those are just a few of my cover song rules/quirks. Oh, and all (well, most) of these rules go out the window for live drunken insanity.

Agreed that track sequencing is super important! imho, the only way to put a cover in the first half of an album is to totally make it your own song. Best example I can think of is the Hendrix version of "All Along the Watchtower." (Seriously, with all due respect to Bob Dylan, Fuck Bob Dylan!)

Oh, and hey, speaking of an abundance of covers, has anyone ever noticed that something like 20% of Metallica's catalog is actually covers? And that's not even including all the stuff they still play that Dave Mustaine and Cliff Burton wrote!

[Strange]

It's remixes I hate.

Serious question, how much of an issue is this in metal? In other genres, remixing is a huge thing and most of the time the result is junk, but I can't think of a ton of remixes in metal. Re-masters, yes. And there is the occasional mix "update" to salvage stuff that had been recorded on tape and sounded like garbage when it was first put to CD in the late 80s/early 90s. Is that what you mean as opposed to Rihanna having 15 remixes by DJ This That and The Other for da club and metal bands aping that?

If it's re-mixing for the sake of making it sound better, I say go for it. It'll either work or it won't. Nevermore had one of their albums re-mixed way after the fact just because they thought it didn't sound as good as the other albums in their catalog. On the other hand, Ozzy's "Re-mixes" where they replaced Bob Daizley and Lee Kerslake's drum and bass tracks are, to me, an abomination. ...especially since it was done specifically to screw the original musicians out of any further royalties.

The DJ-style re-mixing isn't a big thing with actual metal, but was pretty big with stuff that hovered around the industrial area for a while. Fear Factory, White Zombie, etc. Again, results may vary but I'd figure most people on this board don't like those bands to begin with so I doubt anyone would care.

Now, if you like industrial/electronic music and aren't opposed to such genre mixing, check out the album Millenium by Front Line Assembly. The whole album is assembled from chopped up metal riffs (bands ranging from Metallica, Pantera, Napalm Death, Sepultura, etc). All of the riffs they couldn't get permission to sample directly were played and recorded by Devin Townsend. Anyway, random, but pretty cool if you're into that kinda thing.

[egg yolkeo]

Yep, the first 2 Flots albums are great (Doomsday for the Deceiver & No Place for Disgrace), and When the Storm Comes Down is pretty decent despite the tinny production (complete with pre-St. Anger shit snare). They considerably became more "traditional" post these albums to my ears, but when they are good, they are awesome.

Ya I use to get into when the storm comes down.This is a cool ol' school show either way

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